Tuesday, 15 June 2010

Dros y Bont

  

Will be travelling dros y bont for a few days so blogging will be light. Will be sending out the finished People's Manifesto for Anglesey as soon as I get back...
    

117 comments:

Anonymous said...

Can anyone report on the Bodedern Q&A meeting, please ?
Or did no-one bother ?

Anonymous said...

All 6 attendees were rounded-up, put in a railway truck and then onto a ferry to a distant place.

See? No voices of dissent. Everyone happy!

No, seriously, we'd be interested to hear what was said.

Anonymous said...

11.40
If no members of the public attended, which I doubt ? perhaps members of the Exec can comment on the proceedings...anonymously, if they wish !

Anonymous said...

Apart from the Executive and Staff, there was three other Councillors and three members of the public there!

Anonymous said...

12.05 Thank you.
Is this evidence of APATHY, or inadequate notice of the meeting ??

Anonymous said...

I wonder why it is that bloggers condemn the Exec with such venom, but anonymously, here....yet fail to appear anywhere in person to condemn them face to face ??
What is the explanation.
Is this cowardly ?

Anonymous said...

Have't you caught on yet, old boy?

It's because they are exactly that, VENOMOUS and if you do face them, they will then afterwards target you and cause you as much trouble as possible.

Anonymous said...

Acute Paranoia !

Anonymous said...

13.21
If this is to be believed (and I do not)it shows you are scared of them ?

Anonymous said...

QUESTION TO MR D. BOWLES
Some of your Senior Officers were heard privately complaining last week that your pep-talk to the assembled staff was nothing short of demotivating and negative...they said that they left the meeting thoroughly dejected and miserable.
We have no reason to disbelieve them !

Anonymous said...

if direct rule form Cardiff untio 2012, would this be cheaper than with bowles and co, as now?

Anonymous said...

I can confirm 100% with what is said re: 13:37. There has been suggestions of Industrial aation by some of the staff?

Anonymous said...

Lets not forget, This is exactly the diabolical behaviour Mr D.Bowles got up to and was sacked for when he was Chief Executive at Lincolnshire Council.
The man's a born trouble maker. The only thing he's famous for, apart from that. Is giving evidence against an officer who, in the event was sent to Jail.

Now all he's interested in, is ensuring his Officer and some councillors are given immunity from such a fate.

Anonymous said...

We may guess that low turnouts to the Q&A sessions well suits the Exec ? Less hassle.
Less risk of unpleasant confrontation.
All the while they can say "Well, we tried to engage, but the public are so apathetic"
I wonder !

Anonymous said...

BODFFORDD BIODIGESTER
We understand that the Judge at Cardiff Crown Court will hand down his written judgement on Thursday.
It should make interesting reading.
Watch this Blog !

Anonymous said...

13:47.
David Bowles gets paid to create failure to make the grey cells in Cardiff look good,

Anonymous said...

NEWS !
CMcG has renamed his group -
The Condom Group !
It stands up to inflation.
It protects a bunch of pr..ks
It halts production.
It gives a false sense of security.
While Anglesey is being screwed.

Anonymous said...

We may legitimately enquire what is the cost to the public purse of these 6 Q&A sessions over Anglesey.
In terms of members` mileage and allowance claims, and the staff, and the moderator, and the translator....a FOI request should be made for this ??
In view of the public`s clear apathy...or is it contempt...is the effort cost beneficial ?

Anonymous said...

Does Anyone know how many members of the public attended tonight's executives fiasco in Beaumaris tonight?

Anonymous said...

20:38
Do yourself and us a favour,
Just email hppcs@anglesey.gov.uk asking the question under the FOIA.

If your lucky, as the IOACC don't like abiding by the FOIA, you may get an answer sometime, but dont hold your breath. Good LUCK.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't there but news out today is that Cllr Durkin had a face to face meeting with Cllr McGregor this morning to give him the opportunity to remove the offending text from the Alliances Terms of Engagement, which he refused to do. Subsequently a complaint has been lodged with the Public Service Ombudsman for Wales. Against Clive McGregor. Bob Parry. John Chorlton and Hefin Thomas, for an array of Breaches of the Councillors Code of Conduct.

It is also believed that Cllr Durkin has also instigated an inquiry into the misappropriation of public funds.

Anonymous said...

Bully for Councillor Durkin, I don't suppose for one minte the legal action has been commenced.


Unconvinced

The Great Councillini said...

"Is this cowardly ?"

No, it's just that we're fed-up of listening to the same bunch of people who've helped nobody but themselves for years now trying to persuade us that they embrace public accountability.

Frankly, we just don't believe a word they say. Who can blame us? We've more than good reason to be this way.

Anonymous said...

4.07
I understand your cynicism.
But I am a firm advocate of articulate oral debate, not anonymous sniping from the wings, which is crude.
Why do people not face up to the Exec in the available public forum and draw out meaningful answers to innumerable questions ?
Is it because we are afraid of making fools of ourselves ?
I suspect so.
I am convinced, only face to face robust contact will work in this desperate situation.
BoF

Most Anonymous Master said...

BoF

I've tried plenty of articulate debate, and even closely-argued legal debate. I'm afraid that, whilst I accept that there are people, and Cllr. McGregor may be one of them, who are trying desperately to save the situation, the fact is that they are dragging dead-weights behind them.

Oh, and BoF is, after all, anonymous so far as we are concerned.

Of course, promoting articulate debate assumes we'll get well-articulated replies from 'the other side'. In my experience, most of the time, this is not what we get. Victimisation is what many in the Council see as an appropriate response to those who wish to challenge the status quo.

Cynical? Certainly. Realistic? More so.

Anonymous said...

11.48 I compliment your most articulate response !
Bof

Anonymous said...

11.48
"Victimisation is what many in the council see as an appropriate response....."
I can`t say I have experience of, or suffered this condition, personally, but possibly because I can be fairly robust myself against official incompetence, inefficiency, or worse....and I strive always to be armed with more information and intelligence , than whoever I have to deal with, or oppose, in the Council.

Whistleblower said...

I too was 'dros y bont' talking with the Ombudsman's office, who were most suprised when I told them that IOACC exec do not treat an investigation from the Ombudsman's office as an official complaint in their (IOACC) records of complaints.
More to the point they (the Ombudsmans officer)suggested that the WAG or the audit office was the best place to pursue my complaint as the Ombudsman's office does not have the remit to tackle this sort of misrepresentation.

So Blin O Fon, this may well be an answer to why the execs 'meet the people' is so poorly attended - if the IOACC exec can't be honest with the Ombudsman then what is the point of talking to them at all - it just brings their unwanted hostile attentions and smear campaigns against the 'whistleblowers'

Besides which, I am sure that this blog is giving the powers that be at IOACC who 'monitor' this site sufficient feedback - so how about acting on this snippet of information, those of you who monitor?

The Great Councillini said...

The Ombudsman is all very well and, given enough evidence for action, will investigate.

However, their version of due process of 'justice' is a mightily peculiar one, and hinges on their perceived need not to upset either side too much.

When the Ombudsman has called for and considered all the evidence from both sides, they issue a Preliminary Report. This essentially asks for feedback on the conclusion they've reached, which is a bit like a judge delivering a verdict at the end of a trial and then asking if anyone would like to complain and get him to reconsider it! There's a need to have an appeal process, yes, but not as part of reaching the initial conclusion; that is an absurdity. That is the Ombudsman.

Most people who have spent time on examining Ombudsman investigations conclude that they are biased and lack effective enforcement measures. That certainly is my impression.

Anonymous said...

17.11 I agree, the Ombudsman has no teeth !
Bof

Anonymous said...

Following a meeting which I attended with Steve Thomas today, It was more than apparent that Steve Thomas was very concerned with the way Clive McGregor had lied and kept members in the dark over the way he was running the council and the decisions he was making unilaterally, not in the interest of the council or the people of Anglesey.

Clive McGregor also addressed staff today and stated that more Members would be comming over to his group to day. None did, infact the line is tighter now that ever.

Now that Steve Thomas has gone back to report today's findings, the best thing Clive McGregor can do now is go.

Trouble is, he says today that, "Once he starts a fight WHETHER HE'S RIGHT OR WRONG, BE NEVER BACKS DOWN!

Anonymous said...

19.55 What absolute propoganda bullsh.t, by an obvious SUBVERSIVE !
(An Insider)

Anonymous said...

19.55
I agree. There is dark propoganda being peddled here by known muckrakers which is absurd, and unintelligent and does nothing to further recovery...in fact it is destructive and it is obvious that that is the intent.
It will not succeed.
(An Inside Insider !)

Anonymous said...

IOACC will not recover until all the criminals have been dealt with.
Bowles and McGregor should have listened to the whistleblower.

Anonymous said...

Good on ya insiders tell it as it is!

Anonymous said...

As it is 21:38 They may all find themselves in the dock yet.

Anonymous said...

Isn't it amassing how two insiders suddenly come to life at the thought their protector from exposure is under attack with the truth.

It won't last boy,os It won't last.

Anonymous said...

Typical insiders, calling the public subversives and unintelligent. same mentality when we complain to IOACC.

Anonymous said...

Could it be possible, I wonder, if all this childish talk about people "being in the dock" is put in by a person well conversant of being in the dock, is that true? Have you been in the dock? Have you been cleansed from your misdeeds?

Anonymous said...

These last few comments.... complete and absolute rubbish from those of low intelligence.
You add NOTHING to the debate.
Back to your comics, boys.

Anonymous said...

16TH June 21:51.
That's exactly who making the Comments.

The Great Councillini said...

"Typical insiders, calling the public subversives and unintelligent. same mentality when we complain to IOACC."

Well, if you are an insider, chances are your computer activity will be on record somewhere. Maybe you should be careful? One senior idiot insider has been careless enough recently with his e-mail activity.

Subversives? Subverting what, exactly? A bunch of inept local government servants who've never operated a functional council in its entire existence? Oh yes, we're happy to be called subversive of that, don't you worry!

Anonymous said...

16.14
Errr.....subverting our mutual RECOVERY we hope, dear boy ??

stats man said...

I would be interested in peoples thoughts about the following idea:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33216231/Good-Governance-Boards

Thank you

Anonymous said...

Now that Clive McGregor has been reported to the Ombudsman for breaches of the Code of Conduct. Is the Alliance now going to Condemn and abuse him publicly?

The Great Councillini said...

Stats Man,

This would be a very progressive, constructive and positive step forward.

Key Danger: that the 'usual suspects' would be placed on the board (strict rules could eliminate most of the associated problems).

Certainly one to be seriously put forward. I'm sure most on here would support the idea.

Prometheuswrites said...

I second the proposal by Stats Man on:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33216231/Good-Governance-Boards

The administrative apparatus is already in place. What is needed is a monitoring and guiding function with its roots in the local communities.

The starting point for this is a political manifesto from those choosing to stand as independents, followed by establishing the means to ensure that promises and pledges are kept.

If Westminster can propose a means to sack MP's who break the rules can we not have the same for local councillors and AM's?

Why should Wales have to put up with a second class democratic process, compared to England?

Anonymous said...

I have actually read an Ombudsmans report that was about me, it was so thick with bullshit and inaccuracies that I realised that the Ombudsman had been fed a pile of lies. I
I knew then that the system of complaining to him was a waste of time, even a stamp, don't bother, the Ombudsman can only make a decision based on the information, that the Council give him, most of that information is not disclosed, this is why they get away with so much, non disclosure is their part piece, and the Ombudsman, does as he is told by the Welsh Assembly.

Anonymous said...

Wales will always have a second class democratic system, because we have too many parties, too many fools, too many misguided leaders, when in reality, we have changed emphasis, but we have not changed direction.

Wales, has always been muted, it's voice is never heard, and there is no point blaming the political parties for this, we should blame ourselves We voted for them, and we are still waiting for delivery.

It's very similar to what is going on in Anglesey, there has been no massive knife falling down to separate all of the parties. It is more like a few pieces of pizza being gently pulled apart, still together but now connected only by strings of molten cheese.

Huw Terry

Anonymous said...

A good speech (by Huw Terry) but no solutions, ever ready to criticise but unwilling to participate.

It is easy to sound good it is harder to do good. We have all flaws in your souls we need to find peace within ourselves, it means nothing if we do nothing, kicking the cat is no solution, even though it drank the milk.

Consider life what of it, be part of it, not a bystander who see's none of it.

Anonymous said...

"kicking the cat is no solution, even though it drank the milk"

You are correct because the cat would not understand why its been kicked and would again drink the milk.

Solution - get rid of the cat.

Anonymous said...

Just discovered this blog but as pretty well every comment is anonymous and biased in one way or another I feel the whole thing has little merit. Maybe the Druid should come out of hiding? Yes of course this comment is anomymous before you ask.

Anonymous said...

Someone mentioned Ombudsman - useless. Mr "The Council have explained to you" Tyndall. His word carries a lot of clout, and its final. You then have to start court proceedings because he has listened to what Council Officers have told him instead of investigating himself.

Dr. Who? said...

"I have actually read an Ombudsmans report that was about me, it was so thick with bullshit and inaccuracies that I realised that the Ombudsman had been fed a pile of lies"

Wow! I wonder if that's the kind of considered writing that is typical of presumably fairly senior staff at the Council if a report was written about you. If you get so many opportunities to present your views, why is it you only realised it was 'b/s and lies' after the issuing of the report? That doesn't reflect how the system works, unless you weren't taking any notice of what was going on throughout.

Lies. A powerful word. Why not tell us exactly what the complaint was about, who you are, and what the lies were? We can then compare this with the report, which will be online at some point.

Can't be criticised. Won't be criticised. Rotten to the core.

Anonymous said...

I think all prospective candidates for election should be able to show, their knowledge of the Human Rights Acts before being allowed to become a candidate.

If that were the case now. The Isle of Anglesey would not be the ridicule of the nation and beyond and its going to get a lot worse.

Anonymous said...

"Cant be criticised, wont be criticised. Rotten to the core"

No truer words could describe this Council.

Anonymous said...

I believe many, many comments made on these pages are gravely unfair. There are countless people working away every day in the Isle of Anglesey County Council and as a result of their labours we get the facilities and services made possible by available funds and the consideration of councillors.

Do not accuse the IOACC of anything because that gives the appearance of ALL. If you do not mean all then name the wrongdoers and if your accusation is truly genuine and not based on rumour or the desire for self-elevation put your own name to it too.

Anglesey Islander

Old Mona said...

It is a pity that anonymous
Anglesey Islander didn't put his own name to his comments.

Anonymous said...

18.18 from 17.39 I apologise. I do not mean all. I accept that 90% of Council staff are hard working honest persons who do a lot for communities across Anglesey. The wrongdoers, lets just say Senior Officers for now. They know who they are. They cant be criticised, wont be criticised and believe me they are rotten to the core.
It is because of the rotten senior officers, crooked councillors and those who protect them, that this Council as a whole gets its bad reputation as being the most corrupt Council in Wales.
Just ask the general public what they think of IOACC, the majority will say "corrupt the bloody lot of them" I sympathise with the staff. But a lot of the staff also turn a blind eye.
We all know what happens to whistleblowers like Cllr Durkin, so this might be the reason for turning a blind eye.

The Great Councillini said...

"There are countless people working away every day in the Isle of Anglesey County Council"

That is certainly true, and I for one have certainly taken various opportunities to make this clear, as have others. The good staff must suffer an awful lot.

It shouldn't be this way, and I would recommend each and every one of the staff at IoACC to join a good trade union as soon as they can, for a variety of reasons. Far from 'trouble making' I should imagine an awful lot of people will find trade unions of great benefit to them over the coming few years of austerity.

Make no mistake, pretty much all of us here are only trying to rid the Council of the idiots who have led us into this endless black hole. Everyone else at Llangefni deserves as much support as we and anyone else can give them. Even Mr. Bowles falls under this heading, although for the money he wants from us, he obviously will have much more scrutiny than anyone else.

Anonymous said...

19.17
UNISON !!

Anonymous said...

Druid,old boy.
RUBBISH of the most unintelligent sort is now being written, by the joskin rabble.
It counts for nothing.
It has become laughable.
And it has become a bore.
Its time to wind up this comic.
Lets have a serious debate elsewhere, unclouded by the rabble.
What do you suggest ?

Anonymous said...

19.41
I have to agree.
Every word some people utter just diminishes them in the eyes of the intelligent. It is a fact, sorry.

Anonymous said...

18.43 Old Mona suggests I should put my name to my blogs. Very interesting, I have looked right through the telephone directory but cannot find your name anywhere, perhaps it is not really Old Mona!

Anyway, there was then a suggestion about joining a uniod followed by someone saying UNISON. If you trace the pages back you will see that I spoke to Unison weeks ago, they told me that many who work at IOACC are members but no complaints had been received.

There was then a comment "ask anyone in Anglesey and they will all say...." most people have no idea at all what goes on, they might pick up tittle tattle but have nothing to found comments upon.

All I said was, give the hard workers at our council, the good officers and the trustworthy elected a fair crack of the whip because WE NEED them.

It looks to me as though 18.21 on the Coup within Coup is on to someone bad, who is it?

Anglesey Islander

stats man said...

I think we need to think carefully about what we say, I agree with The Great Councillini that the vast majority of the Council staff do an excellent job, sometimes under difficult circumstances.

The lack of political leadership is the main problem, lets us all concentrate on solutions and a means of delivering better governance.

Anonymous said...

21:37.
The lack of political leadership is the main problem, your right. But a week in political life is a long time and thing's can change very quickly.

Anonymous said...

Could you explain what is so important about political leadership as far as the good hardworking council staff are concerned? They do their job to the benefit of us all absolutely regardless of the winging, scraping and attempted self elevation via these pages of certain self important councillors.

Even the majority of councillors probably look at these pages with a grin, knowing quite well who it is trying to get publicity and position.

Well I am for the majority, the good ones, the hard workers it is they who need our support, not the Glory Boys.

Anglesey Islander

Anonymous said...

23.44
MEMO TO DB & CMcG
Some 95% of IACC staff are good and respectable.and we thank them.
Its the 5% thats the problem.
They unfortunately are the higher-paid hierarchy of the Council, variously inept, lazy, unimaginative, past sell-by dates, comfortable and resistant to change...just content to taking their guaranteed salaries and cruising towards retirement, and golf.
They, Sir, are obstacles to RECOVERY.
This Council requires an URGENT SENIOR OFFICER REVIEW !!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

09.43 That was a good blog, one would hope you have put this in the form of a letter to Mr C McGregor, otherwise it is wasted.

The best thing would be for many of us to write to 'The Boss' and list a record of our letters here on the Druid pages, then we could ask what the responses were. Is that worth considering?

Anglesey Islander

Anonymous said...

Review, preview, retire, expire, all the needs of an unhappy people, when in reality, they will never leave, as the trough is too deep.

No one cares, no one listens, no wonder people get angry, frustrated and are ready to explode.

Anonymous said...

19.36 I wish you had put your name to it, it was excellent and you really should produce a book of such sayings. You are gifted

Anonymous said...

To David the Golfer:

Things on this blog are so quiet whilst you are away, your acid comments and your overwhelming support for the Archangel.

Hope your dimply balls went in the right direction

Anonymous said...

19th 19.36
"Ready to explode..." ??
Thats what happens when you suffer from ignorant verbal diarrhoea and paranoia, old boy....do be careful, its a messy business ?
When is the Druid back, to restore some sense and good order to this venerable Blog ??
Druid...this dialogue is not getting us anywhere..time for a serious change of direction ?

Anonymous said...

The writings on the wall.
shocks coming all round.

Morgana said...

Druid spotted dros y bont:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/10348702.stm

Return anticipated post solstice.

The Druid of Anglesey said...

Morgana

Found out at last!

Anonymous said...

Hello Druid, good to see you back home safely.

It has been a quiet weekend so I will tell you the story of the Tin Chicken.

My nephew whan small was given a tin chicken, it had two wheels and a wooden handle to push it along. As the chicken was pushed forward it flapped its wings and clucked. At the time it was a very good toy. My little nephew picked it up and threw it on the floor, each time he did it there was more damage. I asked his father if he was going to stop him. "Absolutely not" he said, he was given a good toy and he will have what ever is left when he has finished with it. I must say that now, that grown up nephew cares for everything he has meticulously.

Go gave us the beautiful island of Anglesey. The councillors we have result from OUR choice. We will have what is left when they have finished with it. Perhaps it is time for us to be meticulous next time we have the choice to make.

Tonight listened to a talk by a lady who has been involved in bringing together people from opposing tribes and opposing sides
in Ruanda, Kenya and the Congo. Killers confessing and families of victims forgiving and all weeping and hugging. Our troubles in reality are very small.

Anglesey Islander

Anonymous said...

Hello Druid, good to see you back home safely.

It has been a quiet weekend so I will tell you the story of the Tin Chicken.

My nephew whan small was given a tin chicken, it had two wheels and a wooden handle to push it along. As the chicken was pushed forward it flapped its wings and clucked. At the time it was a very good toy. My little nephew picked it up and threw it on the floor, each time he did it there was more damage. I asked his father if he was going to stop him. "Absolutely not" he said, he was given a good toy and he will have what ever is left when he has finished with it. I must say that now, that grown up nephew cares for everything he has meticulously.

God gave us the beautiful island of Anglesey. The councillors we have result from OUR choice. We will have what is left when they have finished with it. Perhaps it is time for us to be meticulous next time we have the choice to make.

Tonight I listened to a talk by a lady who has been involved in bringing together people from opposing tribes and opposing sides
in Ruanda, Kenya and the Congo. Killers confessing and families of victims forgiving and all weeping and hugging. Our troubles in reality are very small.

Anglesey Islander

Anonymous said...

Druid, pls delete my 23.06 which I have corrected

Anglesey Islander

Anonymous said...

Druid.
Delete everything, lets start again without the Inverseals, pardon the spelling.

Anonymous said...

All the MPs thought thay had gotten away with their claims too.
However, it became a scandal and the public demanded that they pay back what they had ripped off.
Never mind murderers hugging relatives of their victims in Rwanda, Kenya and Congo, we did not hug the MPs and we will not be hugging corrupt officers and Councillors.

The Great Councillini said...

"Our troubles in reality are very small."

Yes, in comparative terms, they are. But using that as a reason not to demand the highest-possible standards of public service and accountability is a bit of a false exercise.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that the Auditor General for Wales has said in 2009 (summary, point 7, page 5) that:

Anglesey Council "has a long history of not being properly run, from its inception in 1996 to the present day."

At point 8, he says "the Council is poorly placed to meet future challenges, including its duty to secure continuous improvement, because of a lack of direction, corporate leadership and accountability."

Trearddur Bay said...

Aye, and how much do those Corporate Directors get for providing a lack of corporate leadership? About £70,000 a year, isn't it? Tell you what, we'll do it between us for half the money!

Anonymous said...

I appear to have upset one or two of you for which I apologise, no hugs required!

Regardless of how matters turn out I can not see any likelihood of anyone being asked to pay money back to the council, other that any case of false expenses claims if proven.

To get back what might have been acquired by corrupt behavious I would suspect would have to be deemed a crime and any proceeds of crime might be reclaimed.

I agree we hope for the highest standards but really, when people are given top level jobs for which they have no track record or qualification what are we to expect.

Some time ago I saw that official complaint forms had been sent to a councillor, with evidence of delivery. There was a request for 'proof of posting' when the complains were sent but I don't think that has appeared. So, if there is a councillor (or lay person) who truly has evidence, why is it not being presented?

It is good to see that the 'page filler' blogs have stopped. So here is hoping for more wisdom from our Druid.

Anglesey Islander

Zulus! Thousands of 'em! said...

"So, if there is a councillor (or lay person) who truly has evidence, why is it not being presented?"

That depends on what type of complaint you mean. There are certainly plenty of members of the public who have submitted complaints. Many are poorly-presented or lack any coherence, but there are certainly some with a nice, straight story, supported by clear, unambiguous, written evidence. There is almost always an attempt to evade responsibility by the Council, and some have consequently reached the Ombudsman. A very few have had complaints of maladministration against the Council upheld. There are few Ombudsman's cases because few want the extra hard work of submitting and chasing-up such complaints and others have no faith in the Ombudsman. The Council does not, even then, readily accept responsibility or follow guidelines in issuing proper apologies.

The incredible thing is, all the above matters were identified by the Auditor General as inadequacies in 2009. It seems there is a culturally-ingrained failure to properly deal with complaints, no matter how robust and undeniable the evidence against the Council.

Y cochyn sais said...

@ Anon 15 June 2010 13:21 - Hear hear!
@ Anglesey Islander 23:10 - Some of us have been apathetic in the past re voting for local councillors but i cannot help thinking a lot of it is about similarities between Anglesey and Royston Vasey (League of Gentlemen) - local locals do tent to stick together - and whilst not trying to sound like some sort of fascist you have to remember that all social groups have various hierarchies and structures - not that i am against most of the locals i meet but there does seem to be a certain close knit community of islanders that go back for generations and seem to have missed out on a lot of what has happened in the 20th century and the new millennium - hence what is happening now!
( i refer to the previous post that clarifies hardly any of the elected committee have any sort of higher education (not that Degrees are what they used to be but they do show a certain ability in administration when all said and done)
- I can only agree with Mr Zulus!

Stats Man and Prometheus seem to be edging towards the right and proper method of addressing most of the issues - guideline for good governance

oh yes for all the anonymous posters - any sort of handle is useful to help identify who is saying what - some comment boards demand an avatar - not that personal id needs to be given but it does help sort out who is saying what - common sense really
if you are really that bothered about being identified set up a google mail account to blog from (though i still think at the end of the day you can be traced back from your IP address but this would only occur if criminal activity were taking place such as terrorism or some paedophile activity )

All i can say is who is Druid - will you ever make yourself known

Ynys Mon's english name is the Isle of Anglesey

Angel's Island - i am sorry but all i see is fallen angels with dirty faces around - it doesnt take much to find out what the reality of life here is.

The poor attendance of these executive meetings is a clear indication of the islands apathy

but then we dont have to go that far back or dig too deep to learn about the cover up's and backroom deals that some hear about in the big institutional abuse case of not that long ago.

But then this IS a matter much to sensitive to be discussed in "public"

Anonymous said...

Y C S 17.27 As you say, there is not only a lack of education, there is clearly a lack of education.

Perhaps it is not critical for all to have degrees but have any. Have any actually ever proven their ability to learn?

How many know the first thing about business. How many have any idea about corporate structures. How many would see an opportunity for our island, before considering where the opportunity was for themselves.

Sad sad sad. Worse, we have almost two years to select the next lot.

The Druid is so quiet me thinks something is afoot


Anglesey Islander

Icelandic said...

"There is dark propoganda being peddled here by known muckrakers "

Really? So, you make it your business to know who's making these comments do you? As a member of the Council? Interesting.

Why do you?

Maybe you are David Elis-Williams, the Council's Head of Fianance and Treasurer of the 'Shell' trust, who has been following my posts on the infamous (and now very dead) Amlwch.net. So interested was he in local tittle-tattle on the web that he circulated copies at a meeting of the 'Shell' trust.

I'm not sure how he came to figure out (and make a written assertion) who was identifiable with a forum pseudonym, though. Either he went looking, or believed someone who told him, or just made an assumption.

This is how we conclude that, if you start to exercise a valid interest in matters at the Council, you'll quickly end-up on the sharp end of their little games.

Note to editors: All the above is true and can be shown with documents to be true. There is therefore no defamatory content, truth being an absolute defence against a claim of libel. The matter is currently the subject of a formal complaint, which is meant to attract a response within 15 days. It's now 21 days later...

Anonymous said...

DRUID
I have been off-blog for a while.
But unsurprisingly I see that the same old repetitive and unintelligent paranoia and verbal diarrhoea continues, endlessly !
It has become boring.
And it changes NOTHING.
I ask - is that the destiny of your Blog, which once was read by many, with so much interest ?
Time for a re-think ???
BoF

Trearddur Bay said...

"Time for a re-think ???"

No, I don't think it is. You are growing intolerant in your old age, BoF! Yes, plenty of drivel, but also plenty of interesting material in between it all.

I'd say that, if you find the blog dull, then you can of course contribute to other blogs should you so wish - the web equivalent of the 'off' button on the TV. Nobody is pressing you to follow this blog, after all...

Anonymous said...

9.25
Thank you.
Of course I respect every other person`s choice of entertainment.
BoF

Anonymous said...

Icelandic. I hope your remarks were not aimed at me, I have no internal knowledge nor am I involved in the day to day operations of the IOACC, for that matter I have no involvement is searching out peoples IP addresses for later identification but do know it takes a lot to have that proceedure initiated.

To some exyent I agree with BoF, what amazes me is (sometimes) the intensity of comment then when the next Druid items appears all previous interest seems to die. Many constant bloggers have vanished, particularly those who offered so much about inaccuracies with the grants system.

For heavens sake do not offer TV as an alternative, 99.99% is rubbish, even some of the football can come under that heading too. I am not even going to mention the rugby!


Anglesey Islander

Shell Fund said...

AI - not aimed at anyone in particular, I assure you!

What you say about releasing the IP address and identifying details is very true. This is why, when a very senior member of staff at Llangefni appears to have certain knowledge about my postings as a private individual on a web forum, is very sinister. Why does posting a publicly-released document of no controversy whatsoever cause such consternation within the Council?

I'll tell you the answer: because they have been used to hiding behind desks and not answering openly to the public for decades. That time, ladies and gentlemen, is over.

Anonymous said...

If I may suggest ?
What BoF seems to complain about is not the 20% intelligent quality that comes out of the Blog, some of which is incisive wisdom and compelling logic...such that may be built upon and progressed towards contributing to the recovery of Anglesey.
Its the 80% repetitive drivel thats the problem.
BoF
And its the 80% that is slowly hijacking and monopolising what could still be an effective communication tool in the fight-back against the Council.
Time for a re-think definately !

Anonymous said...

AI 9.57
You are right...it is when The Druid posts a new item that the best comments appear...The D must launch and lead the debate, for it to develop.
When the D is quiet, or away....it degenerates very quickly.
I suggest that the D`s value and influence in local politics is infinately greater in his mystery and anonimity, than in his physical presence.
BoF

Puck said...

Does anyone know where ynysmon.com server is located?
When I did an online search using google this web page was close to the top in the results:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2002/may/14/greenpolitics.digitalmedia

don't ask me why ynysmon.com should feature on this page

Anonymous said...

"Many constant bloggers have vanished, particularly those who offered so much about inaccuracies with the grants system"

I may not blog but I havent vanished, I am meeting an AM next week and I sent the following e.mail to Mr sargeants office today.


"Can I just say that despite several requests since April 2008 I have not met with anyone to discuss my case in detail. Each and every response has been no more than opinions and explanations from those that I am accusing of malpractice.

I doubt whether Mr Sargeants response will be any different and those of us who have received grants which were meant to change our lives for the better will continue with our court battles against the corrupt agents and builders who have been allowed to continue operating and destroy peoples lives for a decade here on Anglesey.

The Council hide behind a clause which states that the works contract is between the applicant and builder.
I was a share fisherman and know nothing about building work, I could have been an old woman of 90yrs or like (Name) housebound because of his illness.

Question for Mr Sargeant

If the agent and builder are corrupt, do not inform Building Regulations, omit work items from the schedule and carry out totally unacceptable work, who is responsible for detecting these failings ? Is it the share fisherman who knows nothing about building work, the 90 yr old woman, (name) who is housebound or is it the experienced authorities Grant Inspectors (Grant Managers) who have managed dozens if not hundreds of grant schemes, have a duty of care to the grant applicant with Health & Safety his number one priority ?

I was not aware that roof beams had not been replaced, lighter weight slates and a different code of lead had been used. There was no insulation, no soundproofing. Floors were of dangerous levels, the rendering and four windows were totally unacceptable. Twenty four contraventions of the Building Regulations were discovered at my property and all met with the authorities approval.

Its a disgrace. And even more of a disgrace is that we spend years fighting court cases against agents and builders whose work has been approved by the councils managing agents.

The WAG should be defending us, the public. Not inventing new rules and regulations which make the authorities immune to prosecution.

G. Pierce

Anonymous said...

I do not know where the ynys mon server is located. The question puck is - are you a worm, it this a cunning plan devised to divert us from the truth - we demand the truth - are you really a relative of baldrick?

Anonymous said...

Oh Puck, was your 17.18 a wind-up or were you pointing out that even this site might be a set-up. Certainly there have been a mass of Anon Blogs by a particular couincillor who is said to breath "The Oxygen Of Publicity" and then very rarely that same person does put name to blog.

The next big falsehood will be on Armed Forces Day, yes they will wear their finery and chains of office but in truth they do not give a sh**t for the lads and girls doing the dangerous job.

A letter sent to the responsible person at IOACC on the subject of our troops took 101 days to get a reply, in that time 56 Brit service people were lost, what a caring lot we support here!

But as I said, theywill flaunt the chains of office for the photoshoot on 'The Day'

Puck said...

I mentioned ynysmon.com as I was presented with a 'gateway' form asking for my username and password when I tried to log on to the druid blog the other night.

Prometheuswrites said...

Following on from earlier comments about a fundamental re-think of democratic processes I offer the following thoughts:
Ynys Mon – Problems: lowest wages in UK, some of the highest unemployment in the UK, some of the most deprived areas in the UK, collapse of farming industry and collapse/closure of major employers, local council rated as failed/failing by National Auditor (in other words - ‘it don’t get much worse folks’).
Solution: complete rearrangement of democratic process by moving towards fully participatory democracy.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parpolity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_economics
This form of democracy falls under two strands, political and economic (thus the two links). The political structure would be that the population of Ynys Mon be divided into ‘grass roots cells’ of between 10 – 50 people,(bringing the political nature of democracy back to the people/communities). On any particular issue these people elect from their number a representative, (presumably someone with some knowledge or experience of the issue under examination). This person then meets with 10 or so other representatives from local grass roots cells (now about 100 – 600 people represented in a regional cell ) to debate, discuss, decide and elect a further representative who will take the issue to a full Ynys Mon representatives meeting. Looking at the population distribution across the island and it’s geography I would suggest as a starting point that Holyhead have two regional cells and one each for Beaumaris, Amlwch, Llangefni and Menai Bridge/Ynys Mon Sir Bach. That way the ‘executive’ board would have six people debating the issue and with an elected chairperson having a casting vote.
This form of politic would effectively do away with the standing councillor ‘problem’ as issues would be represented by those with suitable experience and a direct interest in the issues. Council staff would be employed to give advice and help representatives research the issues.
Monitoring and compliance systems would be overseen by an appointed board composed of those with legal, constitutional and procedural knowledge to prevent abuses (of human rights, UK law, EU law).
The political system would run hand-in-hand with an economic board (see link to participatory economics) to help support entrepreneurial start-ups and SME’s (small medium enterprises). I’m sure that Dylan Jones-Evans could advise on the set-up of the economic side. The economic system could fit in very well with the (now mysteriously vanished) Coastal Plan for Ynys Mon.
I don’t do the idea justice here in this entry, so suggest that you follow the wiki links and read up in more detail what these ideas are.
Isn’t the government calling for ‘a big conversation’ and would this not be just that?
I look forward to reading some responses to this suggestion.

Prometheuswrites said...

Oops. I missed a bit out in my explanation. There would of course be two levels of regional cells - (see 'nested councils' on the wikipedia entry.

Puck said...

To anon 17.39

No. I'm a friend of Bottom, just not as violent.

;-)

Anonymous said...

Puck's friend has a violent bottom, how painful

Anonymous said...

19th june 2010 1936.

Thank you for the comment I wrote that..you can tell, and most of them are wondering how did he get that, when he's just a small voice crying in the widerness of Anglesey, no-one listens, no-one cares, and now the Druid has gone, abandoned us all..to the wrath of the traitors!

Huw Terry

Anonymous said...

Hugh, do not despair, perhaps it only for a while you will not see hime but then (I am sure) he will re-apper.

A Voice Crying in the Wilderness

Comfort ye, comfort ye my people, saith your God.
Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the Lord's hand double for all her sins.
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

-- Isaiah 40: 1-3 (KJV)
What we mean by "a voice crying in the wilderness" today is "a warning voice no one heeds"

Well Hugh, lets hope they heed you, heed the Druid and perhaps heed the book from whence this cam.

Anglesey Islander

The Great Councillini said...

Some very nice ideas coming out here.

I cam to think along some loose lines when I stopped to oogle at the Airfix models within James Pringle, Llanfair PG. The place is packed with people from America, Germany, Japan, Netherlands day in, day out.

You can't help feeling that they've done something right, and we as a people, including our bonce Council, are doing everything wrong.

OK, location off the A55 is important, but then, there's a long winding stretch of the A55 across Anglesey, so actually setting something up that is of attraction to tourists seems to be the crucial missing step. My own interests might lead me to suggest a major cultural history centre that focuses less on women in silly hats and more on the big picture. But there are plenty of other ideas.

Let's not forget that Pringle is just a shop selling, for the most part, touristy, inflated-price tat. But they sell tat well, and people actually seem to think they take away something of Anglesey by buying a tin of biscuits or a tea towel.

So, take-home message? Stop buying consultants to tell us the blindingly obvious, and then act on the blindingly obvious and give tourists a focus to descend upon in numbers.

stats man said...

As ever some wise words from the Great Councillini, and lets us not forget the foundation of 'Llanfair Pwll' success lays back in the great railway days of the Victorians with no consultant in sight.

stats man said...

To Promethuswrites - very interesting, ideas worth considering seriously, I shall study them with interest.

Some believe that the answer to a problem is to move the solution upwards, lessing the idea of ownership. Where in reality trust should be placed on those who use the service and ask them what they want.

Of course we shall never achieve a perfect democracy, but this should not stop us from getting close to one. Above all it is about consensus, listening and not leading, thinking about the community as a whole and not what the community can do for me.

Anonymous said...

To The Great Councillini

An American millionaire giving a talk on success said
“if you do what you have always done,
you will get what you have always got”

And so, how do we expect ex-policemen, farmers, teachers,
market researchers etc to lead us into the way of prosperity?

You mentioned Pringle, pringle are hard headed businessmen
who give the people what they want and Pringle make what
Pringle want to make.

It is the example of business success we should be following
not the whims of guessers.

Anglesey Islander

stats man said...

And lets not forget that Pringle Wool also went bust

Anonymous said...

Holyhead & Anglesey Mail today, 23rd June 2010.

"Publicly and robustly condemn" councillors.

Is Cllr McGregor out on his own?

A spokeswoman for Local Government's minister Carl Sergeant, said he is staying out of the current political manoeuvrings at Llangefni and is unwilling to take sides.
"We have not approved anything. It is entirely up to members of the council and political parties to form alliances and coalitions, and to decide the terms on which they do so.

Neither the Assembly Government nor the Recovery Board had any part in the alliance negotiations or in drafting the terms of engagement.
"Their detailed content is not a matter for us. "Our strong interest is in helping the council to recover from the dire situation which the Auditor General identified last year. "That absolutely does Not mean entering into local politics or taking sides.

So who's been telling lies. Clive?

Anonymous said...

I sincerely hope that Clive hasn't confused being addicted to obeying the law as regards to running a Council and flouting the law when it comes to suviving.
But when you're drowing you cluth at straws to help yourself, this statement that the WAG approves the deal, maybe Clive is clinging to straws to stop himself from drowning, we will never know, the truth, because sides have been taken, and the people have been left out, again.

stats man said...

I for one believe in giving Cllr Clive McGregor a chance to make things better. He has my support, he is the Council's last best hope.

Anonymous said...

If Clive McGregor is our last hope, then there's no hope.

Anonymous said...

We as a nation, stand accused of betraying our own people, our superiors have got together and voted themselves into positions of power, yet forgot who put them there, the same old people, who are now entangling themselves in a web of deceit, to create an all powerful party, who is the party or group for? Is it for the people or is it for their own gratification?

Clive and Bowles, are encouraginf dissent, so that the people will, having had a bellyfull of this fighting, will support Llais I Fon, but there is no Llais I Fon, the people have been gagged, we forget the troubles, we forget the victims, their resentments still grows, their sense of fair play and being treated with a bit of dinity and respect still eats them away, while this party and their political needs still go on and on, without a care in the world.
Do we need Llais I Fon or do we need to show how annoyed we all are.

Clive and Dave Bowles, are only interested in themselves, and the people of Anglesey are the last thing they are interested in, these empty headed fools think that we are all gullible, are we?

Anonymous said...

Don't worry 09:08.
The noose is round their necks. 24 hours in politics (if that's what you could call this demented fiasco) is a very long time, particularly as it only takes seconds to drown when you get out of your depth. Eh Clive.