Friday, 1 October 2010

The mystery of GWR and the Lein Amlwch vote

Two weeks ago I noted how the proposal to change the preferred use of Lein Amlwch to a railway had been passed in a Full Council meeting with only one dissenting voice. I may think that Cllr Fflur Hughes was wrong to vote against the motion, but at least she had the courage of her convictions to stand her ground and clearly state her reasons.

What, therefore, are we to make of the fact that the councillor for Amlwch Rural -- a region likely to benefit greatly if Lein Amlwch was to re-open -- purposely left the council chamber before the vote? Gareth Winston Roberts claims that he is all for the reopening of the line but that he had other meetings to attend. Amlwch residents would be entitled to wonder what meetings are more important than the full council meetings he is paid to attend as their representative -- especially when such an important development to Amlwch's economic future is being debated?

It is also a fact that in addition to Gareth Winston Roberts, both of the other two members of his Anglesey Forward grouping also left the council chamber before the vote, namely Derlwyn Hughes (Moelfre) and William T Hughes (Llanbadrig). I have noted before that fully two out of the three Anglesey Forward councillors were returned unopposed at the last local elections, and that Anglesey Forward is now the only council grouping not to have responded in any way whatsoever to the People's Manifesto put together by commenters on this blog. It has become increasingly apparent to me that 'Anglesey Forward' has more of a whiff of thinking itself beyond democratic accountability.

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another anon and me said...

Druid on this one you are totally right, I know the reason why, but that’s old history, that does not matter now. What is important is that the railway line reopens and we all benefit.

I leave on a simple message, if GWR thinks he can take credit in anyway for anything associated with the railway he is very much mistaken. We may be willing to move on, but we shall never forget.

Anonymous said...

He left the Meeting, with his cronies, because he did not want to give his arch enemies the satisfaction of seeing him defeated by the vote !

Anonymous said...

His time is up..and there is more to come out yet..there has to be someone with a social conscience and a sense of morality (Nolan Principles)in Amlwch who will challenge him in 2012 ??

An Insider 3 said...

GWR and his cronies (as you put it) Refused to take part in the meeting because the decisions on all the agenda items had been decided on by Clive McGregor and his cronies in a meeting behind closed doors the night before, which GWR wanted no part of.
You note that I said all the items on the agenda.

PREDETERMINATION. Come on Cllr Durkin, get stuck into that heap of dishonesty for us.

Anonymous said...

"We may be willing to move on, but we shall never forget."

Quite right. What was just came through in the end, and whatever idiotic game GWR thinks was worth playing, it wasn't.

The best response is contempt. GW who? Anglesey Radically Backwards (full hyperdrive reverse), was it?

Anonymous said...

12.46 Predetermination ?
Interesting legal concept this...but it was not a statutory planning committee meeting was it, and no planning permission was granted thereby ?

Groundhog Day said...

GWR's actions just goes to show his contempt for those he claims to represent. We in Amlwch really do need to remove this teflon-coated individual from local politics once and for all.Is there nobody in his ward with the balls to oppose him at the next election.

Anonymous said...

Its not the balls that`s needed...but an intelligent, moral,communitarian with a clean record and a will to serve the PUBLIC interest. The search is on.

Anonymous said...

13.20 P.S. The candidate does not have to be from within the Ward though.......!!

another anon and me said...

In answer to your question, all I shall say is yes, there are those willing and ready to stand against GWR at the next Council election, I suggest he declared his intention to retire now, before he is defeated.

Anonymous said...

A Question to Amlwch ?
Does GWR have any sizeable intelligent support in the Ward....or is it something rather less that he can muster or bully when votes are needed ?
Do tell us ?

another anon and me said...

Amlwch is a town, your question should be to the people of Amlwch, and the people of the ward that GWR says he represents.

Does he have support, or is he a bully, that’s the question I think you were asking. Who cares, he is history.

What's important now is the future, and I guarantee you somebody will stand against him at the next Council elections, come what may his days are numbered.

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Puck said...

Druid scales new heights?

See: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11457795

Congratulations on your new status Druid.

"The decision to grant the Druid Network charitable status will also give druidry valuable tax breaks.

The commission says the network's work in promoting druidry as a religion is in the public interest".

richard sletzer said...

Oh dear - a few posts (not mine) have been removed I see. Well I hope I will not be treading on any toes by posting the following comment:-

I think the essence of the situation is in Druid's main item, in which he points out that two out of the three Anglesey Forward councillors were returned unopposed at the last local elections.

I see that in fact one of those returned unopposed in the Amlwch Rural ward is Gareth Winston Roberts and the other one is Derlwyn Rees Hughes.

...So why on earth didn't someone oppose them? What is it that inhibits people from contesting Anglesey County Council elections?

As for Llanbadrig - well here two Hugheses - both independents - fought it out in a by-election in May last year.
The winning candidate William Thomas Hughes of Betws, Cemaes got in after polling only 255 votes His opponent Tecwyn Vaughan Hughes of Pen Cae, Cemaes received 201 votes. It just needed 30 people to change their votes to change the outcome.

All three therefore - the two unopposed candidates and William Thomas Hughes should be fairly easy to dislodge next time around.

Anonymous said...

The subject of this post is in the wilderness, with little or no political allies or support or influence. His former allies have moved on, somewhat relieved to be away from him. Toxic. Come the 2012 election (if he`s still a Councillor then !) he`ll rely on bully-boy tactics to garner what votes he can.
He is weak, and can be beaten.
The people of Amlwch will see to that.

Groundhog Day said...

Anon @ 1405.
I just hope that you are right in your assumption that GWR can be dislodged at the next election but I won't count my personal chickens because he has a lot of support from members of his "spider's web" of sycophants who are spread wide in the Amlwch area. One hope is the proposed change in ward boundaries which would bring Llaneilian into the Amlwch rural ward represented (??) by GWR. I think the good folk of Llaneilian would be horrified to have GWR as their cllr especially having had to put up with that numpty Aled Morris Jones for the last two terms. We were looking forward to dumping him on his ample arse at the next election, looks as though we will have a different target now.

Anonymous said...

All this chatter about people not wanting to stand and the current Councillors would be easy to dislodge? If you think it's that easy, get on and do it yourself.

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Groundhog Day said...

Apologies for typos in my previous post, fingers like pig't tits I'm afraid!

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Brutus said...

"What is it that inhibits people from contesting Anglesey County Council elections?"

I think that is a very good and very fundamental question that strikes at the very heart of what it is to be a native of Anglesey.

The answer seems quite complex, but stems from many being resigned to the 'way things are', so labyrinthine and dirty are the politics of the island. In this, people can hardly be blamed; what they have 'felt' to be true for so many years proved to be real when we finally got the WAO to look into the matter.

The other significant factor I think is important is the conservative nature of the island; if someone you kind-of know turns up at the door speaking Welsh, then the tendency is to see that person, no matter how useless a politician he/she might be, as being the best bet for local issues. It's a lack of external influences that leads to a lot of problems on Anglesey, but few of us natives are ready to admit and accept that fact.

Much as I'd love to think an incomer with good ideas, good education and good integrity could stand on those credentials and beat the likes of GWR, I have to think it's hoping against hope. But I may be wrong. Let's hope so.

The Great Councillini said...

Standing against GWR must surely be the ideal place to launch a candidate representing the Druid party? Many will know about the blog, will be contributing to or reading it, and understand that in general, people on here represent integrity and honesty, ready to work for the people, not for themselves.

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Richard Sletzer said...

I see that GWR declares quite a parcel of properties in Amlwch in the Register of Members Interests plus some local training establishment.

Can anyone cast any more light on this?

Anonymous said...

12.21 Indeed. But what sort of light do you mean Richard ?

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Anonymous said...

If what you say is true above,
Mrs Elan Closs-Stephen should resign from her position as chair of the Recovery Board and an investigation needs to be held to see if she in anyway has failed to declare any interests.

Anonymous said...

"Yes the self-same Gareth Winston Roberts."

If this is true, then it must surely be a serious failing. Someone should write to Carl Sargeant...

Anonymous said...

Richard,

Are you sure, they may have been members of the Welsh Language Board at one time (around 1997-1999), but I doubt they are members now and the Welsh Language Board does not show them as members.

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Anonymous said...

Irrespective whether they are members of the Welsh Language Board now or not, if the were both members at the same time in the past then a declaration of interest should have been made.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have anything complimentary to say about the individual ??

Anonymous said...

may i ask why i keep seeing
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Anonymous said...

00.09 It must be that whatever was said was not complimentary

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know how much GWR earns from the community training job he holds ??

Richard Sletzer said...

CORRECTION: ELAN CLOSS STEPHENS and GARETH WINSTON ROBERTS:

The speed at which the public-appointments roundabout revolves in Wales often makes it difficult to establish who belonged to which body when.

I've now established that neither Professor Closs Stephens or her erstwhile colleague Gareth Winston Roberts are current members of the Welsh Language Board - so I'm sorry to have implied they were both current members. They're not.

However I can confirm that both Elan Closs Stephens and Gareth Winston Roberts DID both serve together on the Welsh Language Board at the same time - and therefore - we must conclude - know each other well.

They also have other things in common. Closs Stephens was invested by the Queen with a CBE and Gareth Winston Roberts with an OBE.

It must therefore go without saying that they are both towering public figures of unimpeachable integrity who are surely beyond criticism.

Anonymous said...

Mr Druid – may I please thank you for doing your best to try and save this Island from the disastrous effect that the puffing pipe smoker and his 2 lap dogs are inflicting, although thank goodness his wings have been clipped and he can no longer intimidate, frighten and harm anyone. Yes he will be falling at the ballot box if he is still there. Having said that can we all come clean, the whole Island and much further afield are fully aware that the reason it has taken Walter Glyn, (chairman of Lein Amlwch), and his team an unbelievable amount of years to open the line to Amlwch is the pipe smoker working in the substrata – as he always does to get at Walter Glyn.
Well I believe that his kind will never win against this man. We must all on the Island thank this thoroughly decent and honest man for being at one time the only person who was strong and bold enough to stand up to the pipe smokers bullying tactics.
Now thankfully every decent person is supporting WG. One thing is certain Walter Glyn and his excellent team will open the line and help save the fragile Island economy, and GWR you can be assured –if you are on his list and you are, this modern day John Wayne ( he always gets his man!!) will win.

Anonymous said...

No idea about GWR, but here is an interesting insight into a conflict of interest that was immediately responded to, but did need an auditor to force the issue:

"9...As a result, no assurance
can be gained that appropriate PAYE costs have been made for this employee.

10. We noted that the Partnership’s Acting Chairperson at the time of the audit was
also the Executive Manager for HPT Ltd. This gives rise to potential conflicts of interest. When this was discussed during the audit, the Acting Chairperson resigned the position and an alternative member of the Partnership Board agreed to act as Chair.

11. We noted that there is no central register of interests for staff or Board members.

12. We noted that the Partnership Agreement had not been formally approved by all members of the Partnership...

13. There is also no Service Level Agreement (SLA) between the Partnership and its GRB (Isle of Anglesey County Council).

14. We also noted that the Partnership’s payroll is managed by the same Accountancy
firm that audits the Partnership’s accounts. Although no specific concerns were identified in relation to this, it does give rise to a potential conflict of interest for the Accountants when auditing a system that they themselves manage.

The full report into Amlwch Port Communities First, which has an office within the Amlwch Town Council building, can be found here:

http://wales.gov.uk/docs/dsjlg/publications/comm/100706awlwchport.pdf

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SU-27 said...

The report also says in the typical Assembly 'no blame' style that the partnership had "robust financial control systems in place". But that rather goes against the subsequent concerns it has about, for example, the link between Parys Training and the conflict of interest in the accountants' activities as payroll and audit masters (I wonder who the accountancy firm was?)

Earlier this year, the Assembly's Communities First office said this:

"We are not aware of any monies being paid or transferred to Parys Training Ltd."

In the same response, they then proudly give examples of projects funded at Amlwch - one of which is called Stepladder Training - and for which £80,000 was forwarded.

Sadly for the Assembly, when you look up Stepladder Training Amlwch, lo and behold, the first Google result is Amlwch Communities First's web site, which gleefully announces:

"At present, Hyfforddiant Parys Training is responsible for / plays an important role in the delivery of two ESF funded projects (Community Stepladder Training and Amlwch Skills centre 16+)"

Nothing wrong at all with anyone at Amlwch there. But it's a bit embarrassing that the Communities First managers at the Assembly wrote on paper that they didn't know of any money being paid to Parys Training (note that they didn't say it hadn't, only that they didn't know - a master example of back-covering), nor the link between Stepladder and Parys Training.

All in all, it amounts to a spectacularly poorly-run show by the Assembly. To an outsider, the links between Parys Training, the Town Council, Communities First Amlwch and GWR (all occupying the same small office spaces) appear to be too comfortable, remembering that public servants must avoid the appearance of wrongdoing, not simply wrongdoing itself.

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The Druid of Anglesey said...

I have removed a number of postings. Remember: this is not the place to make accusations!

richard sletzer said...

For those who really want to see a photo of Professor Mrs Elan Closs Stephens and Gareth Winston Roberts working together then might I suggest downloading this document:-
http://www.byig-wlb.org.uk/English/publications/Publications/545.pdf

Although the photo - on Page 8 - shows them sprawling on the floor there is, of course, no suggestion whatever than anything untoward took place.

Anonymous said...

richard sleter, you are a gem.
Your revelation leaves without doubt that Helen Closs-Stevens should have declared an interest.
If she has not done so then she needs to consider her position. Remembering that: Public servants must avoid the appearance of wrongdoing not simply wrongdoing itself".

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Anonymous said...

"I just don't understand!!!"

No, beyond personal power and its exercise, I can't understand it, either.

I do, though, take great comfort from the fact that those who understand very well why GWR did not vote on Lein Amlwch have triumphed on this issue, and rightly so.

There is a disused railway line. There is a very impoverished town called Amlwch that could benefit a lot from its reopening. So could other places. Network Rail will pay for clearing the line. There is a bunch of dedicated, hard-working locals fighting for their passion.

What, precisely, would lead anyone to not wholeheartedly support such a proposal? The people of Amlwch might not be the richest, but they are not stupid. Vote for someone other than GWR next time the elections come around. It's time for change all over, not just in the USA!

Anonymous said...

"Closs-Stevens should have declared an interest. "

Not really. I agree she should have considered whether past relations on the WLB might weaken her position on the Recovery Board. But declaring an interest is normally held to relate to external business, financial and personal benefits arising from the organisation in which the person is involved in another capacity. This is not the case here.

What I think it does highlight is the danger of endlessly picking the same people to sit on public appointments; inevitably, those same people will come together from time to time, as has happened here. A question might be: how did GWR (or anyone else) get appointed? I can think of much more accomplished and prominent campaigners for the language than some of those on that 1999 board.

confused!!!! said...

I'd like to know why the comment at 11.18 was removed as it did not contain any accusationsor threaten violence or was unduly offensive. And I still don't understand!!!!

The Druid of Anglesey said...

Confused - If you repost without the following sentence I will accept it: "How the hell did [] get an [] when [] is busy doing so many things []?"

Anonymous said...

We should not assume that getting an OBE for services to local government is nothing more than being put up for it by friendly allies in the Council ? Cosy !

confused!!! said...

Ok thank you, now I'm on the same wave length as yourself. I just wanted to know why GWR always seems to be against things that are good for Amlwch and the Island. Does he do it because he canor because there is some sort of financial gain for him in keeping the place in an economic down spiral. Why have we and do we let him get away with it?

John Wayne fan said...

Anonymous 9.17
Imagine the crowd in Llangefni if that political shoot out took place. Everyone would be there towitness the event and to tell their children and their children's children " I was there".
Lets never forget that the railway has always been pig in the middle between the good and the bad, the straight and the bent, the kind and the bully. If Phil Fowley can be banned for withholding information surely this is ten times worse, a case for the ombudsman?

Anonymous said...

Ombudsman indeed....but is there worst ....??!

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Anonymous said...

That ultimate sanction was not what we meant at all..we merely wondered whether there might not be other instances of misconduct (Nolan et al) that might warrant a more substantial complaint to the Ombudsman...and beyond , to the APW....we don`t know, merely asking ?

Anonymous said...

Personally, I'm still a believer in right will shine through in the end. It did for Lein Amlwch, and in time - glacial though progress is - we will rid this island of the problems and personalities that have marred it for so very long.

Moaning to the so-called authorities is of little real use; they are often led by former senior executives of councils, so who are they most likely to favour - the public, or their mates all over the country?

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John Wayne Fan said...

We should all be on his case, i'm sure there are plenty of things out there that warrant a more substantial complaint. The glaciers are moving abit faster in this climate, hopefully that will be mirrored. I agree moaning to the authorities doesn't always have the desired effect.

Anonymous said...

Well, what are we to conclude on this subject....if the overwhelmingly hostile comments on this post, including those unprintables the Druid has deleted, (and we have not seen such a high number of deletions on the Druid !!), are anything to go by, our subject really has lost the Druid vote ?
A clear message indeed !

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Anonymous said...

20.03 Because, unlike BD, GWR is no particular trouble to Bowles !

Anonymous said...

Favouritism you mean then?
Do you feel that BD is not really an obstruction to the recovery but just a trouble to Bowles?

Anonymous said...

1. Call it what you like.
2. Precisely !

The Druid of Anglesey said...

I apologise to commenters for having to make so many deletions, but I would like to remind all posters of the following rules when posting:

The following kinds of comments will be deleted:
-comments which contain unfounded allegations against named persons (however obliquely they are referred to);
- comments which threaten violence or are unduly offensive;
- multiple, identical 'spam' posts on one or various threads.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 20:17.
Your comment speaks volumes.

another anon and me said...

The thing is you see is this whereas GWR is history, BD is just bad news, yes his motives may be well intentioned, but he fails to grasp what is the basic requirement of any good councillor. It’s a pity really, but I’ll leave the final judgment to the Ombudsman and the APW.

another anon and me has a rant said...

Oh and just in case you’ve missed the point

We have moved on, we see the future not only in terms of me, but us, all of us, together, working for a better future for all, and not just for the few.

None of us seek glorification for our actions, we seek justice for all, we are the people and we the people shall be heard.

The Red Flag said...

but he fails to grasp what is the basic requirement of any good councillor.

I must disagree. The basic requirement varies from person to person. In my book I want a whistle-blower. One that doesn't cover-up, doesn't keep quiet, but shouts loud and long about each and every piece of bad practice or misuse he/she encounters.

In my opinion, councillors should be the 'People's Guardians' and make public all wrong-doings that come there way be they employees at anyy level or indeed fellow councillors and should scrutinise everything.

Keeping quiet is worse than corruption - it's conspiracy.

another anon and me said...

Red Flag

As ever you are correct, in fact it is a duty of all Councillors on being told of any wrongdoing to report it to the appropriate Authority.

That’s report it to the appropriate authority, not keep it up once sleeve until one thinks it convenient to release the information to divert attention form once self’s wrongdoing. Which incidentally is withholding the information in the first place.

richard sletzer said...

Well I can't believe the Anglesey Recovery Board is going to remain in existence much longer - or at least as presently constituted if current press speculation is correct.

Professor Mrs Elan Closs Stephens is (according to the Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/09/elan-closs-stephens-bbc-trust-wales) the prime shortlisted candidate for the £41k a year vacancy as the BBC Trust's National Trustee for Wales. It would be difficult to square her scrutiny of IoACC if she was simultaneously overseeing the BBC's reportage of this issue.

Mrs Closs Stephens, of course, performed two consecutive terms of duty as the chair of S4C from 1998 to 2006 and is therefore largely responsible for making S4C what it is today.

The current chairman of S4C is John Walter Jones OBE who also worked with Mrs Closs Stephens (and Gareth Winston Roberts) on the Welsh Language Board and who, like her, has just had his role extended for a second term.

The current position of S4C is so serious a former Welsh Assembly Government permanent secretary Sir Jon Shortridge has been given six weeks to carry out a review of the way the channel is run...A bit like Anglesey County Council perhaps?

Anonymous said...

immensely.

Anonymous said...

Another anon and Me
Give us an example.

another anon and me said...

Someone asked Give us an example...

“Cllr McGregor is a good person”

...is an example of a positive statement.

Anonymous said...

"Keeping quiet is worse than corruption - it's conspiracy."

I'd say it was more like complicity than conspiracy. But the thrust is the same.

In reality, despite legislation to protect those bringing forward information about wrongdoing, the result for the informant will invariably be one of being targeted and isolated. It is still not uncommon to find informants being dismissed under cover of some other supposed misdemeanour when management come to learn about who that person is.

I once raised serious concerns about a university manager asking staff to sign for hours of work they had not actually done, so that the institution could benefit from European grants. It was seen as being a 'bit of a game' that nobody would really be fussed about. When the Welsh European Office were informed, a wall of silence was met, and only after some serious 'persuasion' were they moved to investigate. Unsuprisingly, they found there was no cause for concern, despite there being evidence of meetings being called with staff to tell them they weren't claiming enough hours. The WEFO even said during a telephone call that they wanted as much money to go to institutions as possible. Fine, but that doesn't mean funding through corrupt and unlawful means.

Anonymous said...

Whilst GWR and his failure to support Lein Amlwch is an interesting, but sad, story, the bigger story is GWR himself... and whether or not by the Nolan principles he is a person fit to hold public office.......let the truth(s) come out and let the people of Amlwch decide !

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Anonymous said...

Significant is it not, that the mere mention of the individual`s name elicits such hostility ?

confused said...

I want to know why a reporter from a local Anglesey paper put in print "training in place for railway line clear up" and "new jobs created for young people" without from what I have been told contacting either Network Rail or Lein Amlwch? Surely printing something like that is unproffessional if it isn't checked up? I am wondering if the reporter is working for someone else to help throw up a smoke screen. The story of GWRs lack of support is sad but it goes to help show the deeper issues and lack of commitment.

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Why is the mention of this particular name such a problem the post is deleted?

Anonymous said...

10.28
The reported is pro-GWR, it is known.
The story was GWR`s feeble attempt at regaining the trust lost over the vote affair, and its sad history...too little too late.
People can see right through it.

confused said...

Anonymous 10.33
Thank you, I hope that everyone will see through it.

Toast for Tea said...

Can I be different? How about we show our collective disdain and disgust at the refusal to support Lein Amlwch by simply stopping mentioning the people involved?

Contempt is, almost always, the best response.

Anonymous said...

I agree that contempt is a good response, and for the man against the show, being ignored is one of the worst things to happen, after all any publicity is better than none. However the blog title is " The mystery of GWR and the Lein Amlwch vote". You can't comment if you don't use names and ignore the whole thing.

TGC said...

"You can't comment if you don't use names and ignore the whole thing."

Yeah, you can: 'he' lost whatever cause he was fighting, and 'we' have as much backing as we could want to go ahead and get Lein Amlwch on the way to a comeback. Imagine our kids' amazement when they see a steam train roll into Amlwch - what a thought! Maybe it should have an effigy tied to the front?

Reminds me of the painting 'Westward the Course of Empire Takes its Way', with the native 'Indians' (our non-voting councillors) being belched out of the way by progress in the mid-West:

http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/lg/2/1/210058.jpg

Anonymous said...

By "we" I take you are a supporter as am I and I will be included very much in your "we". I like your vision and agree wholly with you, but watch our backs carefully, John Wayne would never let his guard down until he was sure all was well.Now and then an indian pops up from behind a rock.
I look forward with great anticipation to that train steaming in.

Anonymous said...

The subject of this post has a favourite line -
"Does gen I ddim problem"
He should think again, he has several !

Sniffer said...

Lein Amlwch and GWR can not be seperated and even now he is playing silly devils. There are now rumours going round that he is busily planning to bring some of his pals on the railway line in Amlwch. This he can do because the line back from the bridge to Amlwch Port is a private railway and no doubt he will do that to confuse the public into believing that he is working on the real Lein Amlwch. He is not and will not!

Anonymous said...

9.21 If he can`t convince, he`ll confuse....!

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Anonymous said...

Is it not the case that the Lein Amlwch promoters want GWR's belated support, like a hole in the head, they've done it without his support, and in spite of him....he's the kiss of death to the project......he should not interfere, thank you very much !

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Anonymous said...

10.30 Don't get excited, its a classic pipe-puffer smoke screen, old boy !

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confused said...

"Almost" isn't completely and there have been others in history who have got up from the floor to fight again. Not paranoia just interested. I'm taking from the last comment that she will not stand against him politically, the other idea is interesting!!

Anonymous said...

11.53 Best to keep off that hot
potottoy ? old boy ?

Anonymous said...

That’s potato, unless old boy you are Dan Quayle, well old boy?

Anonymous said...

15.52 So sorry old boy, in code, try totty ?

Anonymous said...

I'd rather not old boy, rather old fashioned and sexist to say the least.

Anonymous said...

19.33 very well, we'll close on that.

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11.22 I'll keep my own counsel,on detail, thanks anyway.

Anonymous said...

"11.22 I'll keep my own counsel,on detail, thanks anyway.
15 October 2010 11:40"

15 October 2010 10:30 , says......
LOL , the truth will come out....it's what you all want isn't it ?

In the meantime if you see an opportunity , take it and make something of it......hey , who knows maybe one day a topic on here could be about YOU . happy posting .

cheers , 316 .

another anon and me said...

The days of the old councillors are coming to an end, no loner shall we abide their silly games. Maybe we should build an old age councillor home to house these dinosaurs of the past.

No need to defend them, their history of failure speaks volumes; in that they put themselves ahead of all our interest. We have heard it all before, time I suggest they shut up and retire with the little grace they have left.

Oh and they know who I mean!!

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Anonymous said...

"another anon and me said...

No need to defend them, their history of failure speaks volumes; in that they put themselves ahead of all our interest. We have heard it all before, time I suggest they shut up and retire with the little grace they have left."

15 October 2010 10:30 , says......

I ain't defending anyone , no need to ! you guy's who are calling one against another don't realise what a blinkered view you have , If you have real issues with these councilors why don't you go and see them about it , are you men or mice ?........All I do is ask a few questions and because you guys don't like it I get slatted . Come on boys & girls get the facts out NOT personal views.......you call the council for being in the dark-ages , LOL !

cheers , 316 .

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The Druid of Anglesey said...

Sorry - many posts on this thread have being going to too far and I have had to delete them.

Anonymous said...

SIGNIFICANT is it not that the pipe-puffer and his cronies attract such venom and disgust...let it show people, when comes the election (if he is here then)!!

Anonymous said...

Oi Oi Druid guy , why is it when someone posts on here asking for truth and facts it gets deleted ? BUT hearsay and gossip gets left on ! What's that all about ?

cheers , 316 .

Anonymous said...

It's not all hearsay and gossip, but i agree an awful lot seems to have gone, I didn't think much of it was "going too far". But it's your blog Druid, by the way congratulations on the award

Anonymous said...

Is PPS untouchable again?

Anonymous said...

Are anti RDJ comments not allowed on here then...or is it only GWR that's open to flak?

My comment was deleted yesterday because I called RDJ a camera hunry councillor who turns up after the hard work is done by others in the community to get his mug in the paper and claim credit.

Anonymous said...

12.15........at least he's honest and not motivated by greed and self-interest, unlike the other, who shall be nameless ?

Anonymous said...

"a camera hungry councillor who turns up after the hard work is done by others in the community to get his mug in the paper and claim credit. "I agree with you 12:15 , it's all true what you say , he's is well known for always doing this . 12:35 "at least he's honest and not motivated by greed and self-interest"
You can't know him , if you did you would know your statement makes you as BIG a liar as him . Ask the people who know and you will be told .

Druid , please note....I mention no names . It's comments like the one at 12:35 that is fast getting your bloger the nickname of "Druid's joke book"

Anonymous said...

Anybody know why he got kicked out as chairman of fund raising for Macmillan's ynys mon ?

confused said...

Did he get kicked out? I didn't know. I think that people should be able to express an opinion on any one not just GWR or RDJ. I thought that was the purpose of this. We can all have our say and debate different issues.

Anonymous said...

Interesting : the pipe-puffer's desperate publicity machine is at full throttle here, deflecting criticism to others....people can see right through it.

Anonymous said...

"debate different issues"....Yeah right LMAO , that's ok until you ask a question to a poster if he/she is posting fact or fiction !

I'm not a fan of any councilor , Why is it ok to call GWR on here But question anything to do with RDJ and the druids arse caves-in and he/she hit's the big red delete button......Two set's of rules ? Hidden agenda ? Friends in high places ? or just a bit close to home !!!!!!!



wonder if these questions will get answered or how long til they get deleted like the ones yesterday did !



They weren't hard questions........only asked if certain stuff was fact or fiction .

Anonymous said...

"Interesting : the pipe-puffer's desperate publicity machine is at full throttle here, deflecting criticism to others....people can see right through it."

Nothing to do with him at all my friend , but I must say isn't it easy to say what you want when your hiding , sorry posting anonymously.....I think so ;-)
up to the last post (17:07) I hadn't mention his name , you guys can't seem to get him out of your heads......work that one out for yourself !! LMAO ;-))

I know who owns my soul , 316 .

confused said...

it would be alot easier if everyone did pick a name, it gets hard to follow who is saying what. I must have missed the questions about fact and fiction!

The Druid of Anglesey said...

Webmaster_316 -

"Using "names" doesn't come into it as this Blog is run by a fictitious character "The Druid" , Take note how he/her has written the article at the top of this page , it starts this topic/debate off with an anti GWR slant"

There 145 comments on this thread - not one of them points out a single discrepancy in my original post.

"The Druid has the delete button NOT you or I , he/she can delete posts at will if it's thought the topic/debate is NOT going in the direction they wish , this means he/she CAN direct a topic/debate in whatever direction they wish , add that to the fact that he/she can then post anonymously"

There are very clear rules about what is allowed and not allowed in comments. I have deleted negative comments about both of the main Amlwch protagonists.

"All this is is a platform for a witch hunt , are all the posts above personal views and opinions OR facts ?"

Those comments which I judge to be verging on 'witch hunt' have been deleted.

"To help make this blog gain some credibility maybe the Druid should at least have a proper contacts page with a legitimate Name & Address with contact phone numbers , both land-line and mobile rather than hiding behind a "contact us form"

You are just the latest in a long line of anonymous posters to demand (without irony) that I reveal myself.

Anonymous said...

test post ????? truth will be out....
webmaster_316 ;-)

The Druid of Anglesey said...

webmaster_316 - your IP address has not been blocked, in fact the blogger comments platform does not allow me to see the IP address of commenters let alone block them. I also have not deleted any of your comments. The reason they are not displayed is because they are too long for the blogger system. Write shorter posts and there will be no problem.

Anonymous said...

Druid . what was wrong with that post , it was shorter than yours ???? LMAO

Anonymous said...

To every one reading this : I have been taking screen shots of all my posts to prove that they are showing up on here when posted , I will load them to photobucket later and post the links on here for you all to see !

Cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

The Druid of Anglesey said...

"webmaster"_316 - this is becoming tiresome. I have not deleted any of your posts, if they haven't appeared here it is because they are either too long or you haven't posted them properly. I will not respond anymore.

Anonymous said...

I agree it is becoming tiresome ......

The posts are not to long and they are appearing , like I said I have the screen shots to prove it .

The problem is that they are being removed , Your reply post to me last night is still on as is my post before it , my posts since are smaller .

Like I said I'll load the screen shots to photobucket later and post the links on here for all to see .

I could understand them being deleted if they were abusive but they were NOT

Cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

Re-posted coz the druid keeps deleting it & my IP :
Hi Druid . (thanks for unbarring my IP & then Rebarring it !!!!.....free speech and all that mate......love it ....don't you ?)
"There 145 comments on this thread - not one of them points out a single discrepancy in my original post"
There would of shown 146 'comments' if you wouldn't of deleted my first post & bard my IP , glad you've reinstated it ,
we can be friends if you want ?????? or do I have to go through proxy servers all the time ?
"There 145 comments on this thread - not one of them points out a single discrepancy in my original post"
Re-read your original post.....try sitting on your ass not your head ;-)
How many posts have you deleted ? WHY have you deleted them ?
"There are very clear rules about what is allowed and not allowed in comments"
WHY don't you imply them ?
" I have deleted negative comments about both of the main Amlwch protagonists."
HAVE YOU ? don't think so , you might need to re-read from the top..........incitement springs to mind ;-) your own post too (if you know the law lol)
"Those comments which I judge to be verging on 'witch hunt' have been deleted"
HAVE THEY ? don't think so , like I said .......you might need to re-read from the top !
"You are just the latest in a long line of anonymous posters to demand (without irony) that I reveal myself"
I couldn't care if you do or not , it wasn't a request , it was a word of advice if you want to gain/rebuild your credibility ! (your fast losing it)
word of advice , you need friends on the internet........if you are going to post stuff make sure it's true , unslanted , both you & I know it's the best way forward !
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)
P.S. why did you block my IP earlier ? very strange......is truth not allowed ? or will you just shit your pants if facts are posted rather than fiction ?
(druid please read the above twice and answer honestly , if you don't want to lose face I'll give you my email address for you to reply)

The Red Flag said...

The Druid is right. If the post is to long it will still display for a short period so you in turn think it's OK then when you check an hour later it's gone.

It has happened to me on several occasions. Your post above is not far off as big as it will keep up for more than a short period.

And on 'Blogger' the owner of each blog (in this case Druid) cannot block an IP because they can't see them to start with.

Anonymous said...

The post above is the same one what I've been posting and keeps getting removed , this only happens when druid posts . point being he/she is on-line when this happens . Not sure what the difference is between the character count on my "17 October 2010 22:10" post last night and the one above at 13:00 but the both had to be posted via proxy servers , It has also been happening to smaller posts (note 11:37). Blogger used to show IP's to the blog owner , have you looked at the settings ? (on the admin side). Either way , Do you think it's wise to publish that you can't trace an IP ?

webmaster_316 ;-)

The Red Flag said...

Blogger itself will know the IP's if anything were ever needed and Druid 'Polices' - removing libellous posts etc and always posts saying which ones were removed and why. A sensible approach bearing in mind the case brought to the High Courts concerning Alex Hilton and his now suspended Labourhome blog where although the Judge threw the case out still said that blog owners have a duty of care to make sure postings are not offensive, libellous or slanderous, or breah law.

Anonymous said...

so what you are saying is Blogger themselves would take care of it ?
I would be surprised if they found the time to take care of every blog complaint ! especially because a blog owner didn't like the post .Why do you presume the posts removed were of an "offensive, libellous or slanderous, or breah law" how do you know what they were about , they were removed within minutes !

have you only been using blogger since August 2010

Cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Prometheuswrites said...

webmaster_316;-)

I've had the same problem with long posts.

Blogger tells me my post has been saved and it displays just after I've posted it, but then it disappears when I go to view it to the blog page.

The Red Flag said...

webmaster_316 I was using a recent High Court case against Alex Hilton et al and his site Labourhome.

If you have a problem with the High Courts then I suggest you Petition the.

If the Druid says he/she did not remove your posts then he/she did not. If he/she ever sees reason to then he/she will immediately post and say why.

Stop throwing a strop.

;) said...

Although I share a similar surname to
webmaster_316;-) we are not related.

:)

Anonymous said...

The posts that have been deleted were BOTH long and short , The 2 longer posts are now on here . The posts were showing BUT then they were removed within a few minutes . Funny how they stay on when this druid guy is not around !
Others were removed because I asked the poster about the truth behind the comment about RDJ . posts ARE left on if you call GWR , why is this ? like I've said.....I am NOT a fan of any councilor but is the Druid in bed with RDJ ? Just an observation here......Do these posts get deleted because they don't steer the debate the direction the druid wants ?
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

"The Red Flag said...
webmaster_316 I was using a recent High Court case against Alex Hilton et al and his site Labourhome.

If you have a problem with the High Courts then I suggest you Petition the.

If the Druid says he/she did not remove your posts then he/she did not. If he/she ever sees reason to then he/she will immediately post and say why.

Stop throwing a strop."

Who's throwing strop ? NOT me LOL . I only ask questions......something you guys cant handle here in your little boys club ? get off your high horse matey , you don't want to fall off do you ??
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

The Druid of Anglesey said (17 October 2010 22:41 )
I have deleted negative comments about both of the main Amlwch protagonists.
You have NOT , don't lie !

The Red Flag said (18 October 2010 16:07)
If the Druid says he/she did not remove your posts then he/she did not. If he/she ever sees reason to then he/she will immediately post and say why
oops.......don't lie.....egg on face ????

http://druidsrevenge.blogspot.com/2010/10/wales-audit-office-on-anglesey-council.html

About time someone stood up to you bullies , you all call the council but you lot on here are just as bad if not worse ! Do the good people get an apology ???

Anonymous said...

webmaster_316, When Re Flag asked you to stop throwing a strop, he didn't mean replace the behaviour by becoming a pedantic boring arse and behaving like Violet Elisabeth..

anon 18 October 2010 18:29. I believe the Red Flag is correct in his observation regarding the Druid and removing posts. Regular readers will all confirm that the site is littered with entries by the Druid where posts have been removed - usually because they make unsubstantiated allegations of malfeasance or illegal activities against named people.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 19:12 , if I want to be called names I'll see my kids , they can do a better job than you . Thanks for taking the time to think of me even if your thoughts are somewhat childish .
x x x
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Count Alucard said...

Haven't we moved away from the main issue of this blog ie why certain people left the chamber before the Lein Amlwch vote was taken. This argument seems to have moved out into throwing insults and doesn't seem to have anything to do with the blog at all. The Druid has the right to remove posts he feels are not in the spirit of the blog. Throwing your rattles out of the pram are not adding to the debate.

The Red Flag said...

Count Alucard said The Druid has the right to remove posts he feels are not in the spirit of the blog. Throwing your rattles out of the pram are not adding to the debate.

Exactly.

Anonymous said...

Calm down you 2 , if you can't take it DON'T give it :-)
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Have I got this right now , druid posts a topic/debated.......everyone agrees with him/her (no matter how slanted you think it is) if you don't your posts get deleted .
If you ask someone about their post and it's not in line with druids thinking , your post gets deleted . Even though no insults have been traded .

Interesting post by Count Alucard @ 20:06 , he/she asks "why certain people left the chamber".

Why has druid decided to aim this topic/debate at one person (named in the heading) when there was more than one who left the room ?

cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

P.S. The questions I ask today might make you feel uncomfortable but you may love the ones I post tomorrow , it's not my fault I'm honest !

The Red Flag said...

The answer is in this paragraph:- It is also a fact that in addition to Gareth Winston Roberts, both of the other two members of his Anglesey Forward grouping also left the council chamber before the vote, namely Derlwyn Hughes (Moelfre) and William T Hughes (Llanbadrig). I have noted before that fully two out of the three Anglesey Forward councillors were returned unopposed at the last local elections, and that Anglesey Forward is now the only council grouping not to have responded in any way whatsoever to the People's Manifesto put together by commenters on this blog. It has become increasingly apparent to me that 'Anglesey Forward' has more of a whiff of thinking itself beyond democratic accountability.

GWR is a councillor with a direct local involvemnet to the proposal and therefore being as it has a doirect impact on his constituents you would think he would have an opinion. He is also the 'leader' of one of the groupings within the council and the other two members were both named in the blog but are of lesser importance and can - because they also left - be assumed to be 'toe-ing the party line'. It is therefore fair to assume that for some reason an Amlwch councillor can't be bothered to have an opinion on something that will have great impact on his constituents and can't be bothered to such a degree that his two running mates couldn't be bothered either.

Personally I think he can be bothered in private but doesn't want his constituents to know what he thinks which means it's probably the opposite of what they think hence his complete lack of committment.

That way, no matter what happens "it was nothing to with me guv'nor"

Anonymous said...

Thank you for a nicely worded reply......But.......have you got a personal problem with GWR ? is you & druid twins ?

your post is full of if's & but's , red flag can you please post facts NOT fiction .

people like you & druid can cause wars with your BS , YOU hate people like me who point this out to others .

cheers webmaster_316 ;-)

Count Alucard said...

I can't see many ifs or buts in Red Flag's post, and It is fact GWR walked out 5 minutes before the start of the meeting. It is also fact that Derlwyn Hughes (Moelfre) walked out and fact that William T Hughes (Llanbadrig)did not attend the meeting to decide on an issue which could help revitalise our economy.
I don't hate people like you webmaster at all, it is good people ask questions, but you're trying to deflect away from the thrust of the blog, by making out it is all fiction.

Anonymous said...

"you're trying to deflect away from the thrust of the blog, by making out it is all fiction" and you guys are trying to add to "the thrust of the blog" by getting personal views / opinions mixed up with truth / facts .
I'm sorry if you "can't see many ifs or buts in Red Flag's post" , I was figuratively speaking *rolls eyes*
red flag says : "It is therefore fair to assume that for some reason an Amlwch councillor can't be bothered to have an opinion on something that will have great impact on his constituents and can't be bothered to such a degree that his two running mates couldn't be bothered either"

"fair to assume"..........You cant hang a man on an assumption for god's sake , what sort of kangaroo court are you guys running ?

red flag then goes on to "Personally I think......." . Well that's it guys I've got the rope.....let's find a tree and string him up !

As for the druids opening post , did he write that personally or was it copied/pasted........if that was any more slanted it would fall over .

Reread it with an open mind , pay attention to the words used and the context they are used in . There might some facts in it but it is a well manufactured post designed purley to stir up the troops and the proverbial poo

You say "It is fact GWR walked out 5 minutes before the start of the meeting" is that info spot on or something you have read / been told ?

cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

The Red Flag said...

webmaster_316 ;-)

Me and the Druid are light years apart politically. The only thing we have in common is neither of us have much time for NEW Labour, UKIP or the BNP.

As for if's and but's and fiction, which ones are you on about.

Did GWR leave that meeting early and not vote? Yes/No

Is this proposal directly connected to his area? Yes/No

Is GWR the 'main man' in Anglesey Forward Yes/No

Did the rest iof Anglesey Forward vote Yes/No

I have no problem with GWR. I have major problems with councillors whio do not take a full and very public interest and stated position on things connected to their area. By not doing so they serve no purpose.

It is extremly simple to work out from what I, Druid and others have written to seperate fact from comment. Well it is for people with any semblance of common sense anyway.

I am beginning to see why Druid opts to ignore you.

Anonymous said...

Calm down love no need to throw your toys out the pram
(did you read my post above yours before posting)

"I am beginning to see why Druid opts to ignore you" is it because I make you feel uncomfortable with my quest for the truth or because I don't operate on assumptions and personal views like a lot of you do ?

"It is extremly simple to work out from what I, Druid and others have written to seperate fact from comment. Well it is for people with any semblance of common sense anyway"

If you were a lawyer in a court and about to send a man to his death would rely on "common sense" or facts ?

Kangaroo courts don't solve problems , they add to them . There is more than one way to get the answers you seek in your scribblings , give me time you may start to like me .

cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

Has anyone contacted or thought of contacting GWR to ask why he left the meeting ?

cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

Webmaster: thank god you have arrived to show us the truth. The scales have fallen from my eyes: thanks to the ample evidence you have shown us, I now understand that GWR didn't actually leave the chamber before the vote, he didn't take his fellow Anglesey Forward cllrs with him, and that he didn't not vote for Lein Amlwch. Where would we easily guided sheep be without the ample evidence you have provided....

Anonymous said...

"Webmaster: thank god you have arrived to show us the truth. The scales have fallen from my eyes: thanks to the ample evidence you have shown us, I now understand that GWR didn't actually leave the chamber before the vote, he didn't take his fellow Anglesey Forward cllrs with him, and that he didn't not vote for Lein Amlwch. Where would we easily guided sheep be without the ample evidence you have provided...."

Good one , realy well thought out post , think of that by your self ?

cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Can you see what it is yet said...

Who is Webmaster 316, and do we really care. At one point, he complains about people posting anonymously and the need for them to register before posting. He could lead by example of course and declare who he is.

Not that it matters, I’ve worked out who he is, how I laughed, same mo, same bully tactics, LOL indeed.

Carry on posting old mate, I have nothing against you, or what you claim you stand for, just don’t expect me to take any notice of what you say, democracy after all allows people to shout and other after a while not to listen to them shouting.

And yes I did think of this by myself, and no I do not care what you think.

Anonymous said...

Webmaster - with each new post you further prove to us all that you actually have nothing new or interesting to say.

"I must warn you mind , you (& I) may hear things you don't like but if it's un-slanted truth"

So you keep repeating, but I'm still waiting.

we can see what it is said...

Wow what a rant, webmaster, actually who calls themselves webmaster these days, other than webmaster_316, rather eighties don’t you think a bit master and bates or combination of. I see you’ve decided to dance with devil so lets dance…go on do your worst, this is fun, I like fun do as you say do your worst…

Anonymous said...

Sorry to spoil your fun boys , but that was not a rant , if that is how you read it no wonder you all keep getting crossed wires !

What do you want me to post ? Lies & speculation ? I'll leave that to you lot LOL

"rather eighties don’t you think" Love it LMAO . The history of the internet make a right good read , google it , you might learn something LOL

Showing your age now lol , what was it like back then ? lonely ?

cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

and old fart said...

Wow is that the worst you can do, excellent, go webmaster_316 go.

Still waiting, go on do your worst, haven’t had so much fun since a long time, laugh I nearly fell off my chair...

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Anonymous said...

druid says in his opening speech "Amlwch Rural -- a region likely to benefit greatly if Lein Amlwch was to re-open"

Question to all you knowledgeable people including druid &/or redflag : in what way is this "region LIKELY" to benefit ?

cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

look simple said...

Webmaster_316, I see you have been told what to say once again, took you a long time to seek your master permission.

Anyway, the benefits that will come from the reopening of the railway line are well known and understood. It would be a chance to gain additional funding for Amlwch to develop tourist’s attractions such as the mine and the port and the stunning coastline.

But can I turn the question around and ask you Webmaster_316 please tell us what would you do to improve the ‘Region’ especially Amlwch.

The Red Flag said...

webmaster_316 in what way is this "region LIKELY" to benefit ?

I'll gove you a simple one - employment. It will make it easier for the people of Amlwch to get to the centres of employment on the island namely Llangefni and from there (using it as a node) on to Menai, Bangor etc etc. Employment brings fringe benfits such as Amlwch people having money to spend in Amlwch local businesses. But not only that, it opens Amlwch to people coming inwards. Face facts - the days of high paying jobs on Anglesey have gone for a decade at least unless we suddenly get an influx of competent politicians at all levels which is highly unlikely. Therefore you have got to bring in some method of transport to enable people to get from where they live to where work paying only 14K a year is.

This is just simple stuff, but if you can't see that then really you've got no chance of working the rest out so it would be pretty pointless.

One of the key foundations to economic growth is modern infrastructure and included in infrastructure is transport and as far as I am aware that includes rail.

As an example of how important decent infratstructure is, look at the devastation to Anglesey as a whole that the Britannia Bridge fire caused all those years ago.

Really said...

Anon 10:22

"The amount of lies and rubbish printed about GWR is unbelievable"

Evidence please, this is your chance to rebut them, and saying another Councillor in your opinion is just as bad is no defence of Cllr Roberts.

Maybe they can provide evidence of when has GWR supported the reopening of the line, and why when he was the leader of the Council, did he say that the Council would not support the reopening of the line.

Anonymous said...

look simple said...
"Webmaster_316, I see you have been told what to say once again, took you a long time to seek your master permission"
Not at all , Don't knock me just because I don't run in a pack like you lot , try having independent thoughts (if you can)
The "Region" is a word used by druid to describe "Amlwch Rural" This is a "Region" (ward) the train track passes through to get to the Amlwch Port region (ward)
Also druid uses the word "Likely" when saying "Amlwch Rural -- a region likely to benefit greatly" . does druid have inside information ?
I can see Amlwch Port ward benefiting but can't see any benefit to Amlwch Rural (maybe 1 or 2 jobs), apart from the odd farmer in a field saying look look a train !

Cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

redflag I can see what your saying about the transport to work and all that , I know a few people who used it like this before it closed as a public transport link (many no longer with us , god bless)

The problem I see is getting people to carry on using it this way once the novelty has worn off . The theory is good but the practical is a different mater when you take into account the amount of people have cars now compared to when it closed in 1964 (ish ?)

I Can see the benefits of it to the Amlwch Port ward but like I said above (if the post still there) apart from 1 or 2 possible jobs I can't see any benefit for Amlwch Rural .

Don't shoot me for saying that , I just looking in from a different angle

Cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

Really said @ 12:26.....
"why when he was the leader of the Council, did he say that the Council would not support the reopening of the line"

I know that wasn't directed at me but to be fair wasn't it was down to funding ?

Would the county council of given it's backing now if they had to pay for it out of there own purse ?

I would of thought there would be riots if the CC spent our money on a project like this when they are cutting back everywhere else !
(don't expect anyone to agree with that mind)

cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

The Red Flag said...

webmaster, you failed to take in the major point so I will say it again - the days of well paying jobs are over for a decade at least. People will be in lo-skill/lo-pay jobs around the 14K mark for a long time to come. Can a family with two wage earners earning 14K each afford two cars to get to their jobs? Can a single breadwinner?

No they can't. The Amlwch area has 2 choices - support the rail line or deservedly watch the continuing slow decline.

The Red Flag said...

And Anglesey rural needs it just as much. The days of son following father's footsteps to to til the acres is also coming to an end.

And if you think petrol is expensive now, wait until the fabled 'recovery' - there will be plenty of people on middle income* jobs who will struggle to use their cars to commute.

And there's students moving between Amlwch and llangefni who will be using it as well.

(* - That's Anglesey middle income 20K-ish)

rather bored now said...

Talking of independent though seeing you want to taken seriously maybe you can answer a question already posed but not answered:

But can I turn the question around and ask you Webmaster_316 please tell us what would you do to improve the ‘Region’ especially Amlwch

Or Amlwch Rural as you say…

another anon and me said...

Excellent, this post thanks too Webmaster_316 is shooting up the ‘All time popular posts’, so that’s more people to ask who is GWR OBE and what exactly has he done for Amlwch urban or rural.

I just remind everybody how popular he is (that’s GWR) that his party has only three members, that’s him and two others. Facts you see not fiction.

Anonymous said...

" Red Flag said...
webmaster, you failed to take in the major point so I will say it again - the days of well paying jobs are over for a decade at least. People will be in lo-skill/lo-pay jobs around the 14K mark for a long time to come. Can a family with two wage earners earning 14K each afford two cars to get to their jobs? Can a single breadwinner?
No they can't. The Amlwch area has 2 choices - support the rail line or deservedly watch the continuing slow decline.
20 October 2010 17:20"

So are you saying A train service will solve all these proplems ?

cheers webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

"Red Flag said...
And there's students moving between Amlwch and llangefni who will be using it as well.
20 October 2010 17:26"

Do you know this for certain or is it just more speculation ? The bus they go on doesn't just go from Amlwch does it ? The bus has it's own route picking up and dropping off on it's way . Do you have a bus going all over picking students up and bringing them to Amlwch to catch the train ? who pays for all that ? does the CC pay for the buses at the moment ? I'm all for getting trains up and running but I'm also being realistic , IF it brings jobs to the Amlwch Rural ward as well as the Amlwch Port ward (the only 2 wards with Amlwch in their names) that would be brilliant .We all agree on that one ! (I know loads of unemployed engine drivers ! LOL (that was a joke , thought I'd better point that out before you all choke on ya false teeth LOL)Bit of a catch 22 when you play the existing bus service against a new train service mind , someones going to lose a job and someones going to gain one , sad but true .

cheers webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

another anon and me @ 18:59 said...
"Excellent, this post thanks too Webmaster_316 is shooting up the ‘All time popular posts’, so that’s more people to ask who is GWR OBE and what exactly has he done for Amlwch urban or rural"

It is good news , more so since these pages / gossip columns recently won an award , Don't forget you are all on the world wide web , what do you think any would be inward investors are thinking when they read you bitchy posting.....you lot have the cheek to call the Council peoples backstabbers , well done you lot glass raised to you , if you all think you can do better GO for it ....... show Anglesey , Wales & the world how good you are.....backbones of steel........hiding behind computer screens LOL and before you all start saying I'm ranting ...... I not ..... I'm LMAO typing this . stop being stuck in your old fashioned ways , live a little , being bitter and twisted is not good for your health !
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

another anon and me said...

Cheers Webmaster_316

Still waiting for your ideas on how they would to improve the ‘Region’ especially Amlwch, or Amlwch Rural whatever.

Rather too quick to criticise; but not willing to come forward with positive ideas, me thinks....

Anonymous said...

"another anon and me said...
Cheers Webmaster_316
Still waiting for your ideas on how they would to improve the ‘Region’ especially Amlwch, or Amlwch Rural whatever.
Rather too quick to criticise; but not willing to come forward with positive ideas, me thinks....
20 October 2010 20:06"

Meet me half way here.....who are "they" ?
cheers , webmaster_316 ;-)

Anonymous said...

"Bit of a catch 22 when you play the existing bus service against a new train service mind , someones going to lose a job and someones going to gain one , sad but true ."

Or maybe the bus company will see that there are less passengers on Amlwch services and therefore amend the routes and have the driver service other towns without a rail link instead? You seem to smugly feel that you can see what others cannot, in reality you don't seem to have much of clue.

another anon and me said...

Webmaster_316 20:14

Putting aside my spelling and grammar (crap as usual) the ‘they’ I refer too (seeing that I have no idea who you are, whether you are he/she) is you.

So what’s your answer, seeing that I’ve meet you half way, I’m sure you have excellent ideas, so lets hear them, be positive….

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