tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post5637227541949099897..comments2023-12-09T07:21:51.160+00:00Comments on The Druid: Fighting for Anglesey: Tell it to the ONS, Albert.Paul Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01021606156107333019noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-85344656966806984262010-10-30T21:17:51.497+01:002010-10-30T21:17:51.497+01:00Anonymous said...
It was Labour that bailed the Ba...<i> Anonymous said...<br />It was Labour that bailed the Banks out</i><br /><br />It wouldn't have mattered who was in power they would have had to bail the banks out. As a moot point, the banks at first resisted by refusing to admit how much of a mess they were in. We were actually three hours away from no banks opening, no cash point machines, no direct debits being paid, no credit or debit cards working, chip and ppin not working, every loan in the country being immediately foreclosed and anything to fdo with money - real or electronic - stopping dead in it's tracks. It was only the government 'nuclear weapon' of the threat of immediate and permanent nationalisation of the entire banking industry with no payment to the banks that finally made them give in.<br /><br /><i>no wonder were in a mess</i> The mess was caused by too many people having mortgages, house prices rising, too many people with credit cards and too many loans. That I would suggest is actually capitalism not socialism.<br /><br />The other mess was to much government spending - for which Labour were responsible - but they aren't socialist either.An Eye On...https://www.blogger.com/profile/08811559231632281053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-62659334765479529112010-10-30T20:04:56.547+01:002010-10-30T20:04:56.547+01:00It was Labour that bailed the Banks out, no wonder...It was Labour that bailed the Banks out, no wonder were in a mess, don't blame me, but Labour have left Wales as a very poor relation in this marriage called Britain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-58702254399374934992010-10-29T11:30:51.948+01:002010-10-29T11:30:51.948+01:00Red Flag:
"New Labour's big weakness was...Red Flag:<br /><br />"New Labour's big weakness was it trusted big business - a remarkably stupid thing to do."<br /><br />That's because "politics is the entertainment branch of Big Business" (attributed to Frank Zappa)Pucknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-37901420265886632252010-10-28T22:55:47.115+01:002010-10-28T22:55:47.115+01:00Prometheuswrites- thank you, friend. Any intellige...Prometheuswrites- thank you, friend. Any intelligent person can see what a party is trying to do by looking at their actual policies, rather than at rubbish from tabloids.<br /><br />Old Mona said- "When Blair/Brown/Mandleson and New Labour appeared in the mid nineties I saw that they were just dressed up in new clothes but were still socialists at heart."<br /><br />You must have had your eyes closed then, seeing as Blair's first major pledges were to inherit Tory rax rates, keep spending down and continue with privatisations. He quite openly offered a continuation of Conservative policy with some minor and mostly cosmetic tweaks.<br /><br />The Parliamentary record shows the Tories voting with Blair on the majority of major issues that faced Welsh and British people in the 1990s and 2000s. <br /><br />If they really were "socialists" then they must have been a particularly counter-productive and self-defeating kind. They were (and are) no more "socialist" than Nick Clegg or David Cameron, and probably less so than Vince Cable and Charles Kennedy.Welsh Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585109264200933570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-7231927844326317372010-10-28T20:24:19.884+01:002010-10-28T20:24:19.884+01:00When Blair/Brown/Mandleson and New Labour appeared...<i>When Blair/Brown/Mandleson and New Labour appeared in the mid nineties I saw that they were just dressed up in new clothes but were still socialists at heart.</i><br /><br />If you think New Labour or that cabal are in any way socialist you are seriously deluded. They are devotees of neo-liberal economic policy (known in the USA as neo-con), and Bill Clinton's 'third way', neither of which are remotely socialist in any way shape or form. Thatcher was even a fan of Blair and the New Labour project and proudly stated that she had made Labour electable.<br /><br />New Labour's big weakness was it trusted big business - a remarkably stupid thing to do.An Eye On...https://www.blogger.com/profile/08811559231632281053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-14696498102630345762010-10-28T19:19:18.171+01:002010-10-28T19:19:18.171+01:00To go back to the Druid's original comment abo...To go back to the Druid's original comment about Albert Owen being in denial about the state of Anglesey's economy and his letters to the Daily Post(owned by Trinity Mirror, who in diiferent guises have been supporting Labour for ever))<br /><br />Albert will never accept that his time as our representative in Parliament has been anything but a complete success and will never accept any other possibility, like his party who are in complete denial of their part in the financial crisis.<br /><br />When Blair/Brown/Mandleson and New Labour appeared in the mid nineties I saw that they were just dressed up in new clothes but were still socialists at heart.Old Monanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-35806620058521719742010-10-28T18:59:21.063+01:002010-10-28T18:59:21.063+01:00Offshore wind farms are not a devolved matter unle...Offshore wind farms are not a devolved matter unless of course it comes to funding, then apparently it is. So, whilst English Ports can apply for a share of a £60 million funding pot, Wales will need to find the money itself, although apparently it’ll get a portion of the £60 million based somehow on the Barnett Formula. <br /><br />So that’s a green light to Liverpool port, and a go ask the Assembly to Holyhead Port. Rather shifting the responsibility there then, maybe demonstrating the Coalition Government thinks that assisting a port in the poorest region in the UK is not a priority.<br /><br />Think what you may of Albert Owen MP, but at least he was asking some prudent question on this, at the House of Commons today. <br /><br />See: <br /><br />http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-11645601Another anon and menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-55563750192319915112010-10-28T15:19:53.560+01:002010-10-28T15:19:53.560+01:00Welsh Ramblings:
A pleasure to read your posts.
...Welsh Ramblings:<br /><br />A pleasure to read your posts.<br /><br />I think some sort of redefinition of political positions and ideologies is in order.<br /><br />There are too many outdated assumptions and preconceptions about what the various parties stand for nowadays, often sounding more like what 'their parents/mates down the pub/the redtops' say without a reality check on what's been happening these last 30 years.Prometheuswritesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-45482824281864435102010-10-27T21:02:54.484+01:002010-10-27T21:02:54.484+01:00@welsh ramblings - I have deduced that the sorts t...@welsh ramblings - I have deduced that the sorts that are devout Daily Telegraph readers seem to think New Labour was some sort of Marxian plot. As a rule they also seem to have a similar view of the EU and of Cameron's version of conservatism.<br /><br />I fail to see how they come to this conclusion as nothing is further from the truth, New Labour - as you correctly point out, is a centre-right political creed based on neo-liberalist economoics. As is the EU, Cameron's tories and the Lib Dems.<br /><br />Labour has not been left-of-centre or even centre-left since the early 1980's.An Eye On...https://www.blogger.com/profile/08811559231632281053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-81891573023058620722010-10-27T16:49:21.252+01:002010-10-27T16:49:21.252+01:00"I did try my best to have something nice to ..."I did try my best to have something nice to say about Bryant. Honestly."<br /><br />Chris Bryant is a fundamentally conservative, right-wing MP and was one of the most prominent advocates of New Labour in Wales. He supported Blair's illegal wars to the hilt, backed attacks on civil liberties and supported Labour's Thatcherite economic policies. Those things are relevant. His underpants are not. <br /><br />"Which planet were you on when Labour was in government! There were... ah, well what's the point. It's common knowledge anyways, despite you living in cloud cuckoo denial land."<br /><br />No really, you need to make some points to defend your absurd allegation that New Labour was "commie". They were (and still are) a centre-right project, through and through. I quite clearly listed why that is so. You have not listed anything to back up your bizarre point.<br /><br />"You, being 'fundametally against Labour and their rule' are presumably a right-on with-it sort of guy. Anyone else that was against their rule are obviously right wing cranks. Dear me.I'm not worthy to be in dialogue with such greatness."<br /><br />No. The left opposed New Labour consistently. Welsh and Scottish nationalists opposed Labour consistently. Conservatives only opposed New Labour occasionally, agreeing with them on Iraq, Afghanistan and privatisation.<br /><br />You are worthy of dialogue with me which is why I am talking to you. I am curious about the crazy point you made, that's all.Welsh Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585109264200933570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-47792673055879225422010-10-27T16:30:23.295+01:002010-10-27T16:30:23.295+01:00I did try my best to have something nice to say ab...I did try my best to have something nice to say about Bryant. Honestly.<br /><br />Which planet were you on when Labour was in government! There were... ah, well what's the point. It's common knowledge anyways, despite you living in cloud cuckoo denial land.<br /><br />You, being 'fundametally against Labour and their rule' are presumably a right-on with-it sort of guy. Anyone else that was against their rule are obviously right wing cranks. Dear me.I'm not worthy to be in dialogue with such greatness.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-87390783625695827492010-10-27T16:11:43.084+01:002010-10-27T16:11:43.084+01:00I like my Anons. My Anons usually rise above the m...I like my Anons. My Anons usually rise above the monumentally intellecutal heights of making remarks about Chris Bryant's underpants. Is that clever enough for you?<br /><br />I like the Druid too(except for when he smeared President Chavez as a dictator), i'm just saying that he attracts alot of cranks! Not because of anything the Druid does or posts but because there aren't that many centre-right blogs in Wales so alot of the right-wing cranks will inevitably gravitate to the comments section of this blog. And post ridiculous things such as alleging New Labour to have been a Communist administration.Welsh Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585109264200933570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-39828120702032282542010-10-27T15:35:56.255+01:002010-10-27T15:35:56.255+01:00"..newborough if he/she is interested.."..."..newborough if he/she is interested.."<br /><br />he/she? Clearly you are someone who has been socially engineered to insert this shite everytime you want to refer to someone. Possibly you are one who was involved in such social engineering? You know, when it was de rigeur to do so. Not like nowadays when it is scorned by such as the hypocrit 'andheresoneofmeinmyundies'Chris Bryant.<br /><br />Welsh Ramlings. Clever lefties and nationalist. Surely an oxymoron?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-85488209784085482932010-10-27T15:18:45.903+01:002010-10-27T15:18:45.903+01:00The cranks on here are great- better than my crank...The cranks on here are great- better than my cranks who tend just to be relatively clever lefties and nationalists.<br /><br />"Possibly you still think it's that disgraceful era 1997-2010 when Labour wanted to control everything that people think/do/did from cradle to grave and to dare to bring them to task would be to incur the wrath of the state.<br /><br /><br />Thankfully your commie days are kaput."<br /><br />That's golden. The same Labour that deregulated the post offices, part-privatised the Royal Mail, rolled back the state's control of the NHS in England, wanted to "control everything"! The range of functions the state undertook actually decreased under New Labour- despite their anti-civil liberties agenda. Labour shrunk the state. The confusion stems from the fact they were regressive on civil liberties and grew public sector employment. In terms of state power, they curbed it and left behind a less powerful state than Thatcher did. Not so much commies as soft cons.<br /><br />Druid- good post but the effects of the CSR won't kick in until next year. That's when the UK Government's policies will be judged. This current growth is mostly in construction- where the state invests through capital expenditure. This is "Darling's growth", I am sad to say (and you know I am fundamentally against Labour and their rule), not the "coalition's growth".<br /><br />Well done though, as ever, for exposing Albert Owen's statistical blunders, much like the RAF Valley story you nailed him on during the last election campaign.Welsh Ramblingshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17585109264200933570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-31010298115197070482010-10-27T15:10:28.380+01:002010-10-27T15:10:28.380+01:00"It is a clearly a public blog,"
And he..."It is a clearly a public blog,"<br /><br />And here, we start a bun war. Because, the issue at hand is not whether the Druid's blog is public or private. It's whether the Council and others involved in the public's service are a public body or not. Clearly, Albert Owen is, as is the Council. <br /><br />To suggest that blogs should not examine, criticise and even congratulate those in public service would be to argue against free speech. Perhaps you would like us to shut up, but few would support you. Reading and contributing to this blog is, after all, not compulsory!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-901140447785436022010-10-27T14:33:20.636+01:002010-10-27T14:33:20.636+01:00It is a clearly a public blog,
the policy here s...It is a clearly a public blog, <br /><br />the policy here seems to be openess is good as long it does not apply to those on this blog. Those who challenge this 'incur the wrath of the bloggers' for suggesting it should not be this way. <br /><br />anon 13.27 sounds like one of those paranoid anti-government US militias squirreled away in a Nebraska forest convinced the state is monitoring their every move and wants to destory them, <br />the truth is probably far more boring but i know a few good hiding spots at newborough if he/she is interestedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-56045560900259558742010-10-27T13:33:40.049+01:002010-10-27T13:33:40.049+01:00"..Because I am not running a public blog mak..."..Because I am not running a public blog making political statements and claims..."<br /><br />Here's an interesting idea. Instead of bleating about who Druid is why not challenge these political statements and claims with counter statements and claims yourself. That way we can judge whose are more likely to be true.<br /><br />Luckily for you, you can do so anonymously.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-8273700765503634972010-10-27T13:27:03.382+01:002010-10-27T13:27:03.382+01:00It's not a public blog.It's a private one-...It's not a public blog.It's a private one- run by the Druid.<br /><br />Possibly you still think it's that disgraceful era 1997-2010 when Labour wanted to control everything that people think/do/did from cradle to grave and to dare to bring them to task would be to incur the wrath of the state.<br /><br /><br />Thankfully your commie days are kaput.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-33533328900277880952010-10-27T13:09:57.482+01:002010-10-27T13:09:57.482+01:00"but does not open himself up to the same scr..."but does not open himself up to the same scrutiny, which I personally feel is wrong."<br /><br />But, so far as we can tell, the Druid is not an elected representative. There's no need for him/her to be accountable for the data the ONS produces - it's an official document!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-69142007724404139112010-10-27T13:08:10.205+01:002010-10-27T13:08:10.205+01:00"May I assume that you posted the first one?
..."May I assume that you posted the first one?<br /><br />Interesting concept you have about shedding a light and opening up to scrutiny etc.<br /><br />Why not show the way and identify yourself?"<br /><br />Because I am not running a public blog making political statements and claims, I have merely asked a valid question,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-43738603295328089222010-10-27T12:15:44.949+01:002010-10-27T12:15:44.949+01:00Two days ago I promised I'd save the UK econom...Two days ago I promised I'd save the UK economy single handed next year and declared so on my Facebook page.<br /><br />And lo and behold the economy has improved already.<br /><br />Thanks and plaudits will be graciously accepted from those who are hailing the Conlib recovery.<br /><br />Thank goodness Labour didn't put anything in place before the last election to tackle the deficit.<br /><br />(Take the above and sprinkle liberally (no pun intended) with irony).;)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-14017750210241637672010-10-27T12:14:49.727+01:002010-10-27T12:14:49.727+01:00Anon 11 48.
May I assume that you posted the firs...Anon 11 48.<br /><br />May I assume that you posted the first one?<br /><br />Interesting concept you have about shedding a light and opening up to scrutiny etc.<br /><br />Why not show the way and identify yourself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-82337462271169916672010-10-27T11:48:09.166+01:002010-10-27T11:48:09.166+01:00The first reply was a genuine question, which has ...The first reply was a genuine question, which has not yet been answered. <br /><br />The Druid does an excellent job of shedding light on the incompetence and poor behaviour of others but does not open himself up to the same scrutiny, which I personally feel is wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-81080130552552179192010-10-27T11:13:55.259+01:002010-10-27T11:13:55.259+01:00Another good article Druid and one which shows AO ...Another good article Druid and one which shows AO and his motley crew to be the country wreckers that they truly are.If they're not actually doing the wrecking they're making every effort to talk it down. <br />I don't live on Anglesey but come here as there is nothing comparable in the area I live (I have to suffer that petty minded fool Oscar if I want any local shenanigans info) If I were to reside on Anglesey I would be squirming with embarassment every time my MP uttered a word. In fact there is only one area whose MP would cause me to squirm even more and that is Tata Rwan's area in Vale of Clwyd.<br /><br />Keep up the good work and carry on ignoring pratts like the first reply on this thread.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6130000348899973408.post-3179127657574793562010-10-27T10:04:43.960+01:002010-10-27T10:04:43.960+01:00Anon 9:55 - "I have to agree with you, Druid....Anon 9:55 - "I have to agree with you, Druid. It's an interesting point as to why the Daily Post simply regurgitates the information interested parties pass on to them, rather than reporting and testing what is said."<br /><br />To be fair to the Daily Post, Albert's comments above are in a letter from him in the letters page. <br /><br />"it doesn't yet show what the effects of the NI hike, VAT increases, and the plethora of public spending cuts will have on the overall economy. It might be reasonable to assume things won't grow at this pace for very long."<br /><br />This is a reasonable point which I fully accept. But as Anon 23:40 says above, it proves that the recovery is far more robust than Labour (and many parts of the media) have been claiming, with much less likelihood of a double dip recession.<br /><br />"and that's with one of the head honchos as an Anglesey man!"<br /><br />I think you'll find that IWJ is from St Asaph...<br /><br />"I wonder if we can have a post about the logic behind a perpetually-growing economy. Seems to me to be a contradiction in terms when we live on a finite planet."<br /><br />Again, a reasonable point. But the growth depends on productivity gains. If we can recycle more resources, and process them with increased efficiency and ingenuity, then growth can and will continue.Paul Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01021606156107333019noreply@blogger.com